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the_ultimate_creation
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Goku can beat Superman (Come at me)

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Started: 5/11/2015 Category: Entertainment
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the_ultimate_creation

Pro

Goku can beat Superman, you have to prove he can
SpruceMoose

Con

Superman would absolutely wipe the floor with goku at any point of his life.

A list of powers and abilities of superman

- Solar Energy Absorption and Healing Factor
If the fight was on a planet with a yellow sun, which the worlds of earth in both DC and Dragonball Z both have Superman has full access to all of his powers

-Invulnerability
Immunity to almost all forms of harm and ailments, including extreme force and extremely high temperatures. Effectiveness has ranged from nothing less than a "bursting shell" being able to pierce his skin (in the beginning of the mythos) to being completely unharmed by a star going supernova

-Gravimeteric Field
Using his new found powers and anti-gravity organs and body superman can create his own gravity field which allows him to fly at speeds equal to the flash. Faster then light.

-Superhuman reflexes
-His perception of reality is so fast that he has described it as moving and thinking faster 10x the speed of thought. He could slow the fight down and using his extreme perception decimate Goku.

-Superhuman Intelligence
He has Eidotic memory (he can recount every single thing he has seen, heard, felt, smelt or otherwise experienced flawlessly.) His intelligence has enabled him to create effective strategies and tactics when engaging enemies during situations from which his powers alone cannot save him.

- Heat Vision
This one is a no brainer super heated lasers that can melt almost all known substances.

Superhuman Breath (freeze breath)
- He once inhaled a tornado into his lungs to save a town. He can freeze people instantly with his breath, he can put out fires, hold his breath for extended periods of time.

X-ray vision, Superhuman hearing, Superhuman sight, Microscopic vision,

Lets just start it with this.

Superman once destroyed a Solar System with a sneeze. He decimated it, not one single part left intact. He has enough strength to bench press the weight of the earth as well as move weights of even more momentous stature. Superman's intelligence and perception of time is so great that he has the same perception as the Flash, as well as this he thinks at 10x the speed of thought. Superman's speed is so great that he runs at the same speed as the flash. Faster then light, faster then time. Superman can move so fast that if someone teleported to a set location superman would beat them there. Superman using his heat rays could decimate goku, his rays where of the same power of Darkseids Omega Beams, which could destroy entire planets. As well as this using his freezing breath he could freeze Goku mid attack, hit him so hard and fast that he is shattered physically and then take away either a.) food, one of his major weaknesses or b.) grab his tail rendering Goku's devastating powers useless. Then superman using his insane collection of powers could decimate a now weakened and powerless Goku. Goku could not use any form of superman's weaknesses as Kryptonite does not exist in the world of DragonBallZ, neither does the use of Lead (A weakness now rendered obsolete.) Red sun doesn't count either as both Goku and Superman share a planet with a yellow sun.

With this collection of powers and the fighting map being equal. The fight would go so long that Goku's weakness too food would come into play. Any attack Goku would throw at superman would be obsolete, as would be supermans (except down to brute strength.) however as Superman can fight for days as seen with his fight with Doomsday, Goku cannot go a day without eating food. Superman using his faster then light speed travel, which is faster then Goku could remove all food from the planet, meaning that Goku would eventually starve and loose his powers. Allowing superman to kill Goku making him the winner of the fight.
Debate Round No. 1
the_ultimate_creation

Pro

Now let me tell you why thats bull sh*t

-Invulnerability
Immunity to almost all forms of harm and ailments, including extreme force and extremely high temperatures. Effectiveness has ranged from nothing less than a "bursting shell" being able to pierce his skin (in the beginning of the mythos) to being completely unharmed by a star going supernova

If superman is immune to many things why is he getting knocked out by people who cant even destroy a planet

Heres a example
https://www.google.com...

Wooped by spiderman

https://www.google.com...

By karate kid

https://www.google.com...

effected by batman

https://www.google.com...

wooped by muhamid ali

Look at how many people superman gets wooped by, and dont give me the PIS excuse

-Gravimeteric Field
Using his new found powers and anti-gravity organs and body superman can create his own gravity field which allows him to fly at speeds equal to the flash. Faster then light.

Travel speed has nothing to do with winning a battle

-Superhuman reflexes
-His perception of reality is so fast that he has described it as moving and thinking faster 10x the speed of thought. He could slow the fight down and using his extreme perception decimate Goku.

Goku has been dodging ftl punches and beams
(Proof Below)
http://www.comicvine.com...

Again Ive never seen superman slow down a fight
https://www.google.com...

Heck he cant even dodge bullets
https://www.google.com...

https://www.google.com...

-Superhuman Intelligence
He has Eidotic memory (he can recount every single thing he has seen, heard, felt, smelt or otherwise experienced flawlessly.) His intelligence has enabled him to create effective strategies and tactics when engaging enemies during situations from which his powers alone cannot save him.

Being Super Intelligent doesn't equal winning
Look at batman and lex and iron man, they are really intelligent

- Heat Vision
This one is a no brainer super heated lasers that can melt almost all known substances.

Ka- me- ha- me - ha

Its just going to burn Goku not disintegrate him

captain america even blocks it
https://www.google.com...

Superhuman Breath (freeze breath)
- He once inhaled a tornado into his lungs to save a town. He can freeze people instantly with his breath, he can put out fires, hold his breath for extended periods of time.

Goku can probably break out with mere strength

or transforming

X-ray vision, Superhuman hearing, Superhuman sight, Microscopic vision,

Many super heros have that yet they still lose to lower class heros

-Superman once destroyed a Solar System with a sneeze.

That was magic power that enhanced his sneezing, and I still didnt see him use it in a fight

-He has enough strength to bench press the weight of the earth as well as move weights of even more momentous stature

http://imageshack.us...

-Superman's intelligence and perception of time is so great that he has the same perception as the Flash, as well as this he thinks at 10x the speed of thought. Superman's speed is so great that he runs at the same speed as the flash. Faster then light, faster then time. Superman can move so fast that if someone teleported to a set location superman would beat them there.

His travel speed is irrelevant because he doesnt use it in combat

-he could freeze Goku mid attack, hit him so hard and fast that he is shattered physically and then take away either a.)

Why would superman do that, he wouldn't kill at all

'With this collection of powers and the fighting map being equal. The fight would go so long that Goku's weakness too food would come into play. Any attack Goku would throw at superman would be obsolete, as would be supermans (except down to brute strength.) however as Superman can fight for days as seen with his fight with Doomsday, Goku cannot go a day without eating food. Superman using his faster then light speed travel, which is faster then Goku could remove all food from the planet, meaning that Goku would eventually starve and loose his powers. Allowing superman to kill Goku making him the winner of the fight.'

Why would the fight go for days????

My opponent ignores that superman doesnt kill and holds back
SpruceMoose

Con

First of all.

Superman and parallel universe supermen have killed many many people, a list of the few.

General Zod
Doomsday
Joker
Green Lanterns
Green Arrow
Shazam
Lex Luthor
Entire Universes

Just to name a few people across the multiverse he has killed.

Secondly.
Whilst Goku can dodge ftl attacks and beams, it was when he was at his peak physically and with chi. Superman can continuously throw these kinds of attacks. Goku would tire eventually, as would superman. They would fight for days as they are so powerful that this kind of epic battle would take place over days. Goku has to eat heaps over the day, whereas superman doesn't and I highly doubt that superman would give Goku time to eat food.

Intelligence= winning. Intelligence is as much a part of fighting as brute strength and powers are. Batman wins fights because he is so smart at his use of finding and exploiting weaknesses, that is why he beat superman. Because superman didn't actually want to kill a fellow hero as well as the fact that foul play was in use. (Kryptonite arrow, watch Batman Returns Part 2.)

Superman can slow down fights not physically but with his altered perception of time. So it would basically be 10x slower for superman whilst he is thinking in real time. So he can see absolutely everything coming. Including ka-me-ka-me-kaa or teleportation.

Yes the heat rays wouldn't kill Goku but im sure they would piss him off. And little things like that win the fight overall

Super-saiyan, dont even start me on that. Superman once survived a super-nova whilst he was in it. That is the kind of power that destroys multiple solar systems.

Goku is powerful

Superman is more powerful
Debate Round No. 2
the_ultimate_creation

Pro

General Zod
Doomsday
Joker
Green Lanterns
Green Arrow
Shazam
Lex Luthor
Entire Universes

This still doesnt cover up anything
He has been pumbled by lex many times, rekt by green lantern, and he barely survived doomsday

'Superman can continuously throw these kinds of attacks. Goku would tire eventually, as would superman'

Superman cant fight FTL, id like to see proof, he throws punches he doesnt fight ftl, like I said he is going to hold back

'. They would fight for days as they are so powerful that this kind of epic battle would take place over days. Goku has to eat heaps over the day, whereas superman doesn't and I highly doubt that superman would give Goku time to eat food.'

Again how is this battle going to last for days, many people goku has fought that are stronger than superman yet the battles never lasted for days, quit trying to predict everything based on what you saw.

'Intelligence= winning. Intelligence is as much a part of fighting as brute strength and powers are. Batman wins fights because he is so smart at his use of finding and exploiting weaknesses, that is why he beat superman. Because superman didn't actually want to kill a fellow hero as well as the fact that foul play was in use. (Kryptonite arrow, watch Batman Returns Part 2.)'

You say this as if goku is a mere idiot, yes he is one, but not when it comes to combat

https://www.google.com...

Goku using his brain to escape Tiens solar flare

'Superman can slow down fights not physically but with his altered perception of time. So it would basically be 10x slower for superman whilst he is thinking in real time. So he can see absolutely everything coming. Including ka-me-ka-me-kaa or teleportation.'

Hmp, never seen him do that when he fought lex, darksied, or lord zod

Teleportation is going to throw him off since he doesn't know gokus powers, not all of gokus powers is projectiles like superman

'Yes the heat rays wouldn't kill Goku but im sure they would piss him off. And little things like that win the fight overall'

Proof of someone being instantly killed with heat rays, superman wouldnt even use this if he knows it kills, he doesnt kill at all

'Super-saiyan, dont even start me on that. Superman once survived a super-nova whilst he was in it. That is the kind of power that destroys multiple solar systems.'

Surviving something doesnt mean crap, ur acting like goku wouldnt dense superman, yet people like spiderman, and alfred rekt superman and it wasnt PIS because blood came out.

Lift Strength =/= Power
http://www.expertboxing.com...

Travel speed is irrelevant if superman isnt ramming into anyone
SpruceMoose

Con

SpruceMoose forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ikingmy 1 year ago
ikingmy
If normal superman can not kill only beat goku. Goku will get a zenkai boost until he will be able to.
Posted by the_ultimate_creation 1 year ago
the_ultimate_creation
Sorry some of the link are wrong, but if you look at the website the link was about the bullet you will see
Posted by the_ultimate_creation 1 year ago
the_ultimate_creation
Con the last word is suppost to be cant, sorry for that typo
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