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Goku vs Superman

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Started: 9/24/2013 Category: Entertainment
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gagekilmer

Pro

We will be debating the long asked question, who would win in a fight, Superman or Goku, from the Dragonball series. I will be taking the side of Goku, and my opponent, Superman. A few basic rules.
1. Power Levels are an accurate measure of a characters power in DragonBall
2. GT is canon as it was made with the supervision of Akira Toriyama
3. DragonBall movies are non-canon and cannot be used.
4. Alternate DC universes are not allowed, though different interpretations of Superman over the years are allowed.
5. first round is for acceptance only, the debate begins after that.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

I accept, Good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
gagekilmer

Pro

Good luck to you as well. I'll begin with techniques. Goku employs several ki-based attacks and techniques that can give him a significant advantage in a battle, such as Kaio-ken, Super Saiyan 1,2,3 and 4; solar flare, spirit bomb, and instant transmission.

Kaio-Ken: This technique allows Goku to multiply his power by an integer between 2-20. This allows him to increase his power drastically, and will play an important part later in the debate.

Super Saiyan (SSJ): Super Saiyan transformations allow Goku to increase his power immensely, and as seen during his fight with frieza, can restore his stamina. SSJ1 gives Goku a x50 multiplier to his power, SSJ2 x100, SSJ3 x 400, and although it is never stated outright, SSJ4 can be assumed to have a multiplier of x800, minimally.

Solar Flare: An attack used by Goku and Krillin, it can temporarily blind and stun an enemy with a bright flash of light.

Spirit Bomb: A technique taught to Goku by King Kai in the afterlife, he collects the power of the universe and the sun and concentrates it into an orb which he hurls at the enemy, which deals immense damage.

Instant Transmission: Allows Goku to move instantaniously between any two locations, it can be used both in and out of battle and uses little to no Ki.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

First off I would like to talk about the speed of both characters. Superman moves beyond the speed of light when he is flying. It took Goku 1.5-2 days to cross snake way, the one million mile road. Keep in mind goku was flying over the windy path which made it much shorter than a million miles. Now just for arguments sake, let's put Supermans top speed at the speed of light. The speed of light is 129600 miles per second. He would have been able to cross snake road in literally under five seconds if he used the same, fly over the whole thing method. Now if we say it took Goku a day and a half to fly over the road and it would take Superman 5 seconds we are seeing that Superman is 129600 times faster than Goku.

Now lets get into Gokus instant transmission. Goku can only transmit to other peoples ki signatures, not freely throughout space. He has also been shown to only be able to use this move with complete concentration, not while in the middle of a fight. Even if Goku can teleport to Superman he wont be able to keep up with someone flying at the speed of light. To explain this better i'll put it like this. Superman is moving at the speed of light, Goku instantly transmits to him, in one second Superman could be 129600 miles away. There is still no logical way for Goku to keep up.

Superman never fights at his full in the comic, it would make it far to one sided. If superman hit Goku in the face at the speed of light, Goku would be a pile of atomic mess. The video below talks about why this is but in brief, being hit by a fist moving at the speed of light would create a huge crator in the earth over a mile long and a kilometer deep.
http://www.youtube.com...

I will now quickly go over all of Supermans basic abilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Heat vision: Superman shoots solar beams out of his eyes that can reach extreme temperatures. This beam can very in size reaching hundreds of mile in width. He is also extremely accurate with these beams and they can melt almost anything instantaneously.

Strength: As of The New 52 reboot, his strength now exceeds 5.972 sextillion metric tons. Superman pulled earth away from the sun. Whilst in direct yellow sunlight, his strength can be augmented to limitless and incalculable levels. He has strength necessary to shatter entire worlds. Superman's stamina has also been shown as limitless (whilst he remains in yellow sunlight). (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Heightened senses: Superman can see, hear, and smell far better than any human being.

Insane intelligence: Superman is shown to have flawless, total recall of everything he has ever seen, read, or heard. In turn, he is often depicted as being fluent in many of Earth's languages and cultures. He has shown that he is far smarter than a super-computer and can process things faster.

Now I will address Gokus abilities.

Spirit bomb. Goku requires the power of others to make a strong spirit bomb. He harnesses others ki, (they must do this voluntary for it to work) into a giant ki ball and throws it at his enemy. It would be hard for Goku to convince the people of earth to give him their power to kill Superman, their hero. Without any support from the humans Goku couldn't create a spirit bomb anywhere near strong enough to kill Superman. Even if somehow he convinced them, Superman could just fly away from the spirit bomb then fly right back to fight.

Solar flare. Really? Is Goku going to use solar energy to hurt superman? This would just make him slightly stronger. It also would not be able to blind him due to the fact that Superman has flown into the sun and came out just fine.

SSJ. Even in super sayin four, which is almost impossible for Goku to achieve, he is still far slower and weaker than Superman. Even with this SSJ4 800x multiplier my opponent brings up Goku is still 162 times slower than Superman.
Debate Round No. 2
gagekilmer

Pro

gagekilmer forfeited this round.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

Extend all arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
gagekilmer

Pro

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GiantSpoonMan

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
gagekilmer

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GiantSpoonMan

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by thestickmanful 3 years ago
thestickmanful
Terrible arguments from Con, Superman can"t lift this sextilion tons, gravity zero doesnt counts. Goku is so much faster than superman, example, goku can fly at 4,793,245,600,000 km/s and strength it"s About 36 million tons, Destructive Power: Kamehameha = Destroy the Milk Way Galaxy in the base form, not full power, single shot.

Durability: An destructive power that can destroy we century.

Super Dragon Fist: Can destroy more than the total mass of the Universe.

One Punch in Base Form: Could destroy a medium planet size bigger than Moon in base form. From a new battle screw attack erred. So Goku easily can beat superman, just 1 ball of pure energy from him can destroy superman, just a ball that could destroy more than a supernova, that is the max power that superman could stay alive. Flawless victory.
Posted by Leo_Ascendent 3 years ago
Leo_Ascendent
Yet Batman was able to beat Superman in that stupid fighting game.... SMDH....
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