Government Intervention in an Economy
| Started: | 1/6/2012 | Category: | Politics |
| Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
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This debate will be that some government regulation in an economy is more desirable than having a Pure free market economy with no economic regulation whatsoever. However, the Con of this argument will have to support some government regulation, but only to this extent: Government should
A person can also debate with me on this debate even if they support NO government regulation in an economy, I haven't tried this but why not. Any government intervention that effects a nation's economy is intervention in an economy. So, a government that bans video games would be using intervention in an economy (example). Round 1: Intro and any definitions Round 2: Main arguments mostly Round 3: Rebuttals and closing Regulation: A law, rule, or order prescribed by authority to affect conduct. Intervention: To come between, to intervene. Economics: The management and usage of resources in a nation.
as this is the intro I will argue the negative. um...I accept. I'll do this ahead of time : vote con |
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Early America [2] http://www.wisegeek.com... [3] http://www.investopedia.com... [4] http://www.investopedia.com... [5] Yale M. Braunstein, "The Role of Information Failures in the Financial Meltdown", School of Information, UC Berkeley, Summer 2009 [6] "What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't" By Jessamyn Conrad --A Nonpartisan Guide to the Issues [8] http://seekingalpha.com... [9] Capitalism: A Love Story (movie 2009) : documentary [10] Inside Job: documentary
I will present my arguments first then refute his (space willing): C1: Modern Regulation Bad regulation not deregulation caused our current mess. [1] The reality is that crises are more often caused by bad regulation than by deregulation [1] House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) states: "The current regulatory system has become a barrier to economic growth and job creation. Federal regulations cost our economy $1.75 trillion each year. Employers are rightly concerned about the costs these regulations will impose on their businesses. So they stop hiring, stop spending and start saving for a bill from Big Brother." [2] also seen exactly like this in my second source. credit him for the paragraph above not me. C2: Austrian theory 1. the people choose The man will act in his benefit, to his agenda. Only each individual chooses their economic choices not goverment or other collective entities. [3] 2. The study of the market is about behavior between institutions. Catallactics focuses analytical attention on the exchange relationships that emerge in the market, the bargaining that characterizes the exchange process, and the institutions within which exchange takes place. [3] 3. People believe in social science Unlike the physical sciences, the human sciences begin with the purposes and plans of individuals. [3] basically like 1. let the people decide not a goverment bureaucracy or a collective group. 4. Utility and costs are subjective etc. basically how the person choosing trumps governments doing so. C3: the stimulus This is actually goverment intervention as the companies are now in debt to our goverment. It certainly doesn't appear that the stimulus worked. The U.S. economy remains in the doldrums, with GDP growth an anemic 1.3% in the second quarter and a jobless rate that's not expected to return to normal levels for a decade. [4] It was supposed to create enough jobs to bring the unemployment rate down below 8%. That didn't happen. [5] It didn't work. C4: Debts This is given. Regulation from the goverment, welfare, goverment control will lead to debt. Many people think the debt is good, like Keyes. but he says debt NEED to be payed back, fast. So long term debts, like we have now, are bad for the economy depending on the time length and the extreme. Paying back the debt reduces interest rate payments. This in turn makes it easier to pay back even more and so on - until the debt amounts to zero. [6] So paying back the debt lowers interest rates, lowering cost on everyone, which = better economy. SO no debt is good. Once there is no debt anymore, taxes can be cut, and the government can spend its money on useful things like healthcare or education. [6] So no debt = less taxes, everyone knows that means better economy. Having no debt is hard to do when you are trying to cover for an economy. So less intervention is better. C5: socialism You say goverment regulation and intervention is good. So do the socialists. Socialism is intervention to the max. When a government intervenes in a market, it upsets the dynamics of a market and forces inefficiencies. In fact, I would strongly argue that government is responsible for the high health care costs today. [7] He basically said goverment intervention is bad. In a free market, I have the option to pick the best plan for me, from a range of suppliers, at the price I wish to pay. As soon as you get government involved, there are mandates of what plans have to include, it increases prices and consolidates supply. [7] These 2 paragraphs as well are directly from my 7 source. Credit him not me. C6: Government intervention is inefficient and raises cost To overcome this market failure, the govt can try and reduce demand by taxing the good. However, this may cause govt failure. Government failure occurs when govt intervention results in a more inefficient allocation of resources. For example, taxes will cause admin costs; the govt may have poor info about how much to tax and demand may be very inelastic. [8] also from my 8th source. Subsidizing companies may encourage them to be more inefficient, because they can rely on state funding. [8] Government interventions infest agriculture markets like weeds and have the same choking effects. Some interventions, such as tariffs, quotas, and land set-asides, are designed to keep food supplies down and prices up. [9] so yes they do it on purpose. Still other interventions, such as food stamps and subsidized school meals, are designed to offset the effects of government policies that make food more expensive. [9] lets go away from food and look at cap and trade: By reducing carbon emissions, cap-and-trade systems raise prices throughout the economy. These costs are ultimately paid by American consumers. [10] also from my source. an average house pays 216$ a month, with my 10 sources calculator it raises that cots to 277$ a month, a large increase. Cap and trade rose prices. The central fact of the cap-and-trade proposal is that it will increase the price of energy. [11] C7: new deal This too is goverment intervention in the economy, and it didn't work. The worst years of the New Deal were 1937 and 1938, right after the Fed increased reserve requirements for banks, thereby curbing lending and moving the economy back to dangerous deflationary pressures. [12] Thing is, the statistics preferred by Sirota and other FDR acolytes still reveal the New Deal didn't drive pre-World War II unemployment below 17 percent in any year except 1937 [13] :o it didn't do what it needed to do. the point, as the chart shows, is that the alternative numbers track the census estimates in showing unemployment during the New Deal remained the worst our nation has seen. [13] c/p from 13. so basically it didn't help. another source: It is Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal. At least three economic reforms under discussion now were also central in the New Deal package. Trouble is, these reforms didn't necessarily work well when they were first tried-and some failed outright. [14] ==end arguments== ==low on room rebuttals for next time== ==conclusion== goverment intervention on an economy doesn't worked and little intervention is better. I have proven this, I urge you to vote con. thank you. ==sources== http://blog.heritage.org... [1] http://www.epi.org... [2] http://www.econlib.org... [3] http://www.forbes.com... [4] http://www.americanthinker.com... [5] http://news.bbc.co.uk... [6] http://www.rochesterconservative.com... [7] http://www.economicshelp.org... [8] http://www.thefreemanonline.org... [9] http://www.taxfoundation.org... [10] http://reason.org... [11] http://www.nytimes.com... [12] http://www.heritage.org... [13] http://www.cfr.org... [14] |
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You can see that deregulation in the short term will seem well. However, later companies will get aggressive in their efforts to downsize and become the most competitive. Since small business cannot effectively compete with large business' because of economies of scale, less profits, less market share, and the threat of predator pricing, it is nearly impossible for small businesses to thrive, because they cannot grow larger.
Vote Pro - Unless you want another recession, a worse economy, and don't currently stand into reality. Sources [1] http://www.aliveness.com... [3] Donald Barlett and James Steele, America: What Went Wrong? (Kansas City: Andrews and McMeel, 1992), pp. 106-112. [5] http://www.facebook.com... [6] http://dictionary.reference.com... [8] "What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't" By Jessamyn Conrad - A nonpartisan guide to the issues [9] Restoring the American Dream, CNN, Fareed Zakaria, Sept. 2011 [10] "Back To Work - Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy", By Bill Clinton (Nov. 2011) [11] Capitalism: A Love Story (documentary) [12] Inside Job (documentary) Deregulation and regulaiton 1. a free market self regulates:
(directly from source) So in free markets they regulate themselves.
Is deregulation the answer?
In earlier research, Mr. Winston, an economist at the Brookings Institution, measured savings from the deregulation of the airline industry. A combination of more efficient 'hub and spoke' route structures and more flexible pricing, he argued, saved the public some $8 billion annually. [2]
also exaclty as said in the source.
So deregulaiton of this buissness would save 8 billion dollars. This is from a liberal source.
" regulation is needed"
You say there it smart regulaiton, false this doesn't exist:
Government is not productive. It is not creative. It does not bring blessings. Government spending drains resources from society, taking from those in whose hands it has the highest value and putting into the hands of people who serve the state. Regulation forestalls choice. Taxation loots from people the reward of work and productive endeavor. [1]
so directly from my 1st source.
Trains and trucks, sometime rivals in the freight business, suffered from very different regulatory maladies. [2]
They hurt indistry they do not help it. Also I have proven the free market regulates itself.
Self regulation creates a level playing feild.
self regulaiton creates quality.
You also say false advertizing, but the funny thing is who cares people should mistake it isn't mr cleans fault you bought his product, it is you. You are arguing a nanny state which is bad.
basically you say regulation is needed, we agree, but you claim goverment regulation not self: In the absence of regulatory institutions, people would demand safer products and better working conditions, without the state.
"Now, after much of the stimulus has taken place, job growth is about 125,000 roughly. "
You say it worked, no it didn't it said it would make unemployment under 8%, it is 8.5% now. and underemployment is really high.
Also lets look directly after the bill:
Conservatives have correctly declared President Obama’s $787 billion “stimulus” a flop. In a January report, White House economists predicted the bill would create (not merely save) 3.3 million jobs. Since then, 2.8 million jobs have been lost, pushing unemployment toward 10 percent. [3]
directly from 3rd source.
You say it worked, bt its been 2 years. Right after its pasage it didn't work. Understanding why the stimulus failed is an important step in understanding how the government can—and cannot—goose economic recovery. [4]
also word for word.
So this relates to this debate as a whole and the stimulus, it says the goverment can't fix it, the stimulus also proved this.
"Okay, before you stick catch names to someting and call it that, read up on the facts. This is not Socialism."
Yes but socialism = a lot of goverment control, so therefore it is safe to say your policies that you recomend are socialistic. Not socialist but it is a step towards it. So it is a valid argument. "I am supporting government intervention in an economy. This doesn't mean I support all government intervention."
In the remainder of the paragraph you say things that come with the mixed economy by definition but don't support it. Most of thsubsidies you mentioned are in place (or are trying to come in place) from people that advocate what you are saying. So eing against it means you are pretty well away from the establishment mixeeconomic politicians.
My source also disproves the new deal. Also can you read graphs? BEFORE the new deal GDP was IMPROVING, so the new deal happened after the improvement got better. SO th ene deal had little to do with the GDP. The source also disroves everything you have said, let me add on to this:
The goal of the New Deal was to get Americans back to work. But the New Deal didn't restore employment. In fact, there was even less work on average during the New Deal than before FDR took office. [5] Per capita consumption did not recover at all, remaining 25% below its trend level throughout the New Deal, and per-capita nonresidential investment averaged about 60% below trend. The Great Depression clearly continued long after FDR took office. [5]
all from the source. "A Public H. Care Option would save billions for consumers, and would create revenue for the gov't, and would introduce more competition in the health care sector."
False:
The first, and by far the largest excess cost, is due to the current overuse of medical resources by patients. Overuse is the rational response of consumers who do not have to pay the entire cost of the medical services they use. The causes of those excess costs are Medicaid, Medicare [6]
basically saying those 2 goverment insurance plans have raised cost. if they raised cost how would a National H. system lower costs? Debt from a National healthcare system:
Lets use obama care as an example: The health care law includes an estimated $105 billion in mandatory spending [7] Lets look at another guess:
the CBO says that the bill’s ten-year costs would be $1.2 trillion. [8] So how would a national healthcare system save money if a semi-national system like obama care costs money? It wouldn't.
Cap and trade raises costs:
Mr. Obama's biggest proposed tax increase is the cap-and-trade system of requiring businesses to buy carbon dioxide emission permits. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the proposed permit auctions would raise about $80 billion a year and that these extra taxes would be passed along in higher prices to consumers [9]
c/p from 9 How does raising cost and taxes help the economy, now let's proce higher taxes worse economy:
Raising taxes ALWAYS hurts the economy [10] 1. A tax increase leaves customers with less money to spend. 2. A tax increase forces companies to scale back or cancel planned expansions. 3. A tax increase starves successful companies of cash needed to fund growth. 4. A tax increase causes pessimism to increase. [10]
c/p from 10. ==conclusion==
I have proved my case, he has ignored much of mine. I have refuted hsi case proven self regulation works , and goverment reglation is bad. Proved self regulaiton actually happens so there is no need for goverment nanny state policy. I urge you to vote con. I have fufilled my BOP.
sources: http://www.nytimes.com... [2]http://www.nationalreview.com...= [3] http://biggovernment.com... [4] http://online.wsj.com... [5] http://www.cato.org... [6] http://www.foxnews.com... [7] http://www.weeklystandard.com... [8] http://online.wsj.com... [9] http://www.redstate.com... [10] |
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An example of lack of clarity and structure by Con here is the beginning of his C6:
"C6: Government intervention is inefficient and raises cost
To overcome this market failure, the govt can try and reduce demand by taxing the good. However, this may cause govt failure.
Government failure occurs when govt intervention results in a more inefficient allocation of resources. For example, taxes will cause admin costs; the govt may have poor info about how much to tax and demand may be very inelastic. "
What does "this market failure" refer to? What market failure? It looks like this was copied and pasted from another source without though to context. Moreover, the source cited is merely providing a definition of government failure, NOT an argument for why government is inefficient. The source is an example of how to answer an essay question on the difference between market and government failure.
This is just one example.
I hope Con doesnt take this criticism as being overly harsh, my RFDs have a tendency to focus on what the person I felt lost the debate didnt do well rather than on more positive aspects of the debate. Everything I mentioned in this RFD are things that will improve quickly if you try to avoid the same mistakes in the future.
Both sides did ok jobs of preventing examples and refutations that support their position. The issue is that the way the debate is framed in R1, Con has to show that government intervention is categorically bad. This is sort of hard to show just from a general standpoint in that saying "prove X is categorically bad" is hard. But I think there are definitely ways to do it. Unfortunately Con just lists a bunch of examples of how regulation is bad, and this just does not (and could not) show that all governmental intervention is bad. Given his choice of how to approach this debate, I think it would be impossible to win.
To illustrate: Lets say the Resolution was "At least some Irish people are not evil." For Con to disprove the resolution, it wouldnt be enough for Con to just run through a list of a bunch of evil Irish people. It also wouldnt be enough to point out reasons that Ireland, as a general rule, generates evil people. All Pro has to do is show that one or two Irish people arent evil, or at least are debatably not evil, to blow up Con's case.
All that being said, I also think Pro just did a better job explaining his arguments. Con's entire case reads in a very choppy manner, with fragmented and unclear arguments. Pro's case is just easier to follow and better organized and so it is more convincing.
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If corporations don't have more than just libertarian regulation, corporations can get away by paying nearly no taxes. That isn't fair, and that is why more regulation is needed. If corporations are people, they should be treated the same as people, not better.
I could have guessed.