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cjet79
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lilevildevil134
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Government welfare doesn't help the poor.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/20/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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cjet79

Pro

A system of government welfare creates a system of dependency, and destroys poor people's incentives to move up in life. If people are in desperate need of charity then the government is not the solution.

The dependency is shown by the government's own data, and is documented by the heritage institute here: http://www.heritage.org...

The incentives to move up in life are destroyed...as the more you earn the less you earn in welfare and the harder it becomes to survive. Welfare has trapped millions of poor inner city workers in a system of poverty and dependence. It should be ended.
lilevildevil134

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America is a united country
and the people in the country should support one another

If you want this to be a free country
and you want it to be the best country in the world
(like a lot of ethnocentric Americans believe)
it is only best we build the country to its highest
by bring the lowest income people up to the middle class

It isn't very fair to have people with millions of dollars
and people who cant even get a meal a day

Many people don't become dependant on welfare
and government issues the welfare
where they realize who has been on it a long time and will not issue it to them
Debate Round No. 1
cjet79

Pro

Being taxed and seeing that money be handed out to someone else is hardly "supporting" one another. That is more like a politician just trying to gain votes.

A free country and a "fair" country are not the same thing. If you are talking about fairness under the law then yes you must have both of them. But we are talking about economics fairness. And since the government does not create wealth it has to steal from one person to give away welfare. Nothing is free about having your money taken away.

4.7 million people receiving welfare spent an average of 6 years on it. And if Welfare actually helps people get out of poverty then why do we still need it if we have had welfare for over 50 years? With the millions of dollars we have handed out doesn't it seem reasonable that most of these people would be off of welfare pretty quick if they weren't dependent?

The government bureaucracy behind welfare is questionably effective at handing out welfare. It certainly isn't efficient when only 20% of the money meant for welfare programs actually reaches the people on welfare. That kind of massive waste of money would never be tolerated from a private charity.
lilevildevil134

Con

Yeahh welfare could go either wayy :]
soo yeahh you should win this round
i dont have a strong standing either way one it
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by arrivaltime 9 years ago
arrivaltime
As someone who was on welfare half of my life, I have to say Welfare is not fun or rewarding and my family was happy to pull ourselves out of the lower class, we just needed the support while we did.
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