The Instigator
wjmelements
Con (against)
Winning
15 Points
The Contender
PetIn_the_Box
Pro (for)
Losing
10 Points

Gravity exists.

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wjmelements
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/15/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 3,901 times Debate No: 6087
Debate Rounds (3)
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wjmelements

Con

There is no explanation for gravity. We can describe its effects, but we cannot prove its existence because it cannot be observed. Of course, its effects can be observed, but it is just as legitimate to explain them in another way.

I am placing the burden of proof on my opponent. By accepting this debate, my opponent agrees that he must prove that gravity exists.

I will not post a complete argument this round. Good luck to my opponent.
PetIn_the_Box

Pro

:: -- << GRAVITY EXISTS (+) >> -- ::

>I would firstly like to thank Wjmelements for starting this debate (he dared me to take it).

>Before moving to burdens and arguments, I offer a few definitions:

<>Gravity: (physics) the force of attraction between all masses in the universe; especially the attraction of the earth's mass for bodies near its surface

<>Exist: to be, especially to be a real, actual, or current thing, not merely something imagined

>Next, my opponent has assigned me a burden of proof for this debate.

1. I would like to provide clerical information regarding my burden:

While I accept that I must give some sort of evidence for my argument in order to win this debate fairly, but I cannot logically be bound to an absolute burden of proof.

a) An absolute burden of proof on the topic of gravity's existence would be classified as a logical fallacy known as the Burden of Proof Fallacy. Essentially, this is an extremely heavy burden as it is impossible to fill - the topic is a meaningless proposition unless addressed from a pragmatic mindset. If I show that gravity exists WITHOUT ANY REASON TO DOUBT IT you must vote PRO as otherwise fulfilling of the burden is impossible. It is impossible for PRO to cover every case in which gravity would apply (an infinite amount) in 5,000 characters per round. Thus this falls under the Burden of Proof Fallacy for an overly heavy burden.

b) An absolute burden of proof on the topic of gravity's existence is major CON abuse. If CON does, indeed, assign PRO an absolute burden of proof, CON can spend every round giving such simple responses as "PRO has not fully proved the burden: vote CON" or "As PRO has not fulfilled his burden you cannot vote for him." This makes the debate futile - it would no longer be a debate at all.

*Side note: You can further any abuse as my opponent himself is given no burden while I am given one.

2. I would like to provide clerical information regarding my opponent's burden:

Based on the information provided above, I now assign my opponent his own burden so that voters do not default their votes to him for a lack of proof for PRO: my opponent must show that WITHOUT ANY REASONABLE DOUBT gravity does NOT exist.

>I will now move on to give my own arguments. Isaac Newton explained,

"each particle of matter attracts every other particle with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them."

This is known as gravity. The formula is as follows (http://www.howstuffworks.com...):

Gravitational force = (G * m1 * m2) / (d2)

G has the value of 6.67 x 10E-8 dyne * cm2/gm2

Above is the mathematical explanation for gravity. But why are we sure it exists? Think of the old story:

Man sits under apple tree.

Apple dislodges from the tree.

Apple falls through the air and hits man in head.

Why?

Gravity causes the apple, having mass, to move toward the object of greater mass. Simple. Easy. Shown many, many times.

>As a recap, my burden was:

To show that gravity exists WITHOUT ANY REASON TO DOUBT IT

As my argument shows as such (an example), please vote for PRO.

>Good luck to my opponent. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
wjmelements

Con

I thank my opponent for accepting this debate. I will begin with his complaint.

"b) An absolute burden of proof on the topic of gravity's existence is major CON abuse. If CON does, indeed, assign PRO an absolute burden of proof, CON can spend every round giving such simple responses as "PRO has not fully proved the burden: vote CON" or "As PRO has not fulfilled his burden you cannot vote for him." This makes the debate futile - it would no longer be a debate at all."

However, clearly he agreed to this in:
"By accepting this debate, my opponent agrees that he must prove that gravity exists."

This clearly undoes his statement, "While I accept that I must give some sort of evidence for my argument in order to win this debate fairly, but I cannot logically be bound to an absolute burden of proof."

My opponent still has burden of proof.

I am now grounded, and cannot finish this debate.

Though there is a concensus in the scientific community, there is no proof that gravity exists. There is no explanation. To this day, no gravitons have been observed, and even if they were, then they cannot be explained.

So, we cannot conclude that gravity exists. My opponent's cause and effect logic is faulty. Something falling may just happen. It doesn't need a reason. My opponent is making the unjustified assumption that falling is the result of some natural force.

I hope the audience realizes that there is a double standard in the scientific community and if God is to be criticized, then gravity must recieve the same scrutiny.

My opponent cannot prove that gravity exists. Thank you.

I will forfeit round 3. Forgive me for that and this short response.
PetIn_the_Box

Pro

:: -- << GRAVITY EXISTS 2 (+) >> -- ::

>Thanks to wjmelements for his response. I am sorry that he will not make any further responses...

>My opponent has not responded to my definitions and thus concedes them. Apply them throughout.

>My opponent has not responded to my observation 1a on the Burden of Proof Fallacy and thus it is conceded. THIS MEANS THAT MY BURDEN OF PROOF AD HOC IS:

To show that gravity exists WITHOUT ANY REASON TO DOUBT IT

>My opponent's rebuttal of my observation 2a on abuse is simply that I accepted a burden of proof. I agree that I did. I, however, clarify that this burden must not be abusive (which it is, thus I clarified). Extend this.

>My opponent concedes:

"there is a concensus in the scientific community"

You can vote PRO right here. My opponent concedes that gravity is scientifically agreed upon. Let's cross-apply to mathematics. Can we PROVE that 1+1=2? Is it absolutely proven in all scenarios? No, it isn't however there is no reason to doubt it, thus we say that it is true. Same goes for gravity.

>As a recap, my burden was:

To show that gravity exists WITHOUT ANY REASON TO DOUBT IT

As my argument shows as such, please vote for PRO.

>Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
wjmelements

Con

wjmelements forfeited this round.
PetIn_the_Box

Pro

:: -- << GRAVITY EXISTS 3 (+) >> -- ::

>It appears I extend. Thank you and vote PRO.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
I do wish I wasn't grounded. I would've been able to do this debate much better. I didn't expect to win, but to prove a point, and I didn't even get to do that.
Posted by PetIn_the_Box 8 years ago
PetIn_the_Box
That's a little late.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
Consensus does not equal fact.
Posted by PetIn_the_Box 8 years ago
PetIn_the_Box
I didn't know we had come up with all scenarios, Skeptic.
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
TheSkeptic
"Is it absolutely proven in all scenarios? No"

Uh...yes it is.
Posted by lil-flash 8 years ago
lil-flash
this is an interesting topic. wjmelements wins?
Posted by PetIn_the_Box 8 years ago
PetIn_the_Box
Taker
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
No takers?
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