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Greed is justified

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Started: 6/8/2011 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Deathbeforedishonour

Pro

I would like to debate this and I do not care who accepts.


Greed -excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.[1]


The first round will be for acceptance.

The second round will be for oppening statements and contentions.

The third round will be for rebuttles.

The fourth round will be for rebuttles and closing statements. PLEASE NO NEW CONTENTIONS IN THE FINAL ROUND.


I wish my opponent luck.


[1] http://dictionary.reference.com...
BlackVoid

Con

Thanks for the debate. I'm interested to see what my opponent argues.


Good luck to both of us.
Debate Round No. 1
Deathbeforedishonour

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate.

Greed today in the world is discouraged, but it is still commen. We are all taught that we should be satisfied with what we all have, but this is simply absurd. My next contentions will prove why.

C1: Greed is apart of our nature. Every person from the time they are born wants stuff whether its food or attention or money it doesn't matter, the fact is if we teach that greed is bad then we teach people to not be themselves.

C2: Greed leads to accomplishment. Greed along with envy is a driving force that leads to people making their lives better. If a person has little then and they have greed, then they are going to do their best to get more. This will make the person become more successful.

C3: Greed is the driving force of our economy. If we did not have greed we would all be poor right now because we would all be happy with a tent and a horse, and thus greed is what makes our country (the U.S.A.) strong.

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BlackVoid

Con

Thanks to Pro for his opening arguments. I will argue that greed creates several disadvantages for both the one who is possessed by it, and others.


C1. Decision-making disad

You are dominating blackjack in an LA casino. Having won $25,000, you have by far exceeded your expectations. But you're greedy, and want more. So rather than walk away with 25 grand, you throw $15,000 worth of chips on the table. The dealer gives you two tens, an amazing hand. Everyone else looks disgruntled with theirs. Encouraged, you go all-in, wanting that $50,000 Corvette. The cards are turned over, and it turns out that one of your opponents was bluffing, and flips over an ace and Jack, a straight 21. You lose everything, and don't even have enough money to afford the latest hooker.

While this example is a bit extreme, it shows how greed can lead to poor decision making which is costly.


C2. Crime disad

The vast majority of thefts can all be directly or indirectly attributed to excessive desire for objects. Because thieves want that extra $10,000 but aren't willing to work for it, their greed causes them to steal it from the nearest Walgreens. MSN references ten CEO's all being jailed for various fraud and larceny charges because apparently, having a multi-million dollar paycheck wasn't enough for them (1).


C3. Happiness disad

Everyone wants more. But those with greed have excessive desire. They live in a constant state of always wanting more and more, and won't be truly happy with the state of affairs until they get it. But because human nature dictates that we always want more, those with greed will never be happy with their lives because their lust for more goods prevents them from appreciating what they have at the time.


C4. Hoarding disad

Hoarding is essentially a mental disorder where people excessively collect everyday objects. They will have entire houses full of meaningless items, but will still want more. It is detrimental to the family considering how the house becomes a junkyard and is embarrassing to any relative if discovered. Looking at the definition of greed, "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for...possessions, hoarding fits the bill.


C5. Resource disad

Africa's mining resources have been continually drained by greedy foreigners looking for an extra buck (2). This is having a negative impact on the domestic economy and is a major political issue as well. Plus, excessive desire for fish, when we have plenty of other food options available, is leading to overfishing of marine resources. And our massive lust for oil is leading to environmental pollution.



From these 5 contentions you should see that greed is indeed undesirable and unjustified.


I'll refute pro's case next round given the rules.








1. http://money.ca.msn.com...
2. http://www.theatlantic.com...


Debate Round No. 2
Deathbeforedishonour

Pro

Deathbeforedishonour forfeited this round.
BlackVoid

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Pro seems to have forfeited.
Debate Round No. 3
Deathbeforedishonour

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