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Greely High School is better than MSSM

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Started: 1/30/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Writer-Menz

Pro

Even though Greely High School is ranked lower lower than MSSM in best schools in Maine, it has a far superior school.

1. It is one a public school, and therefore doesn't cost anything to attend, unlike MSSM

2. It is one of the cleanest public schools in the state, with very little crime, high testing levels, and one of the top sports programs in the state

3. It is in the Greater Portland Area, rated the fourth best place in the country to live, one of the main reasons being all of the amazing schools in the area

4. Being the Portland area, it has far more access to amenities than MSSM, which is in Limestone, one of the most secluded towns in the state

Prove your points and I will prove them wrong.
SGilley

Con

Thank you for the opportunity to debate.

I would first like to point out that Pro's points are all unfounded, and are one hundred percent opinion. He has absolutely no sources, and uses an aggressive and informal tone in his closing statement.

I will now refute all of Pro's arguments.

"1. It is one a public school, and therefore doesn't cost anything to attend, unlike MSSM"

The Maine School of Science and Mathematics (more commonly known as, and hereby called by the name of, MSSM) is a magnet school (i.e. a school that draws students from long distances to stay on or near campus). Tuition is free for Maine students, leaving only room and board (1). Room and board is $8300 for students of the school. This is, in fact, cheaper than the average cost of raising a child through one year of a normal public high school, (e.g. Greely High School) which is around fifteen thousand dollars, almost double the cost of MSSM's room and board (2).

"2. It is one of the cleanest public schools in the state, with very little crime, high testing levels, and one of the top sports programs in the state"

Limestone, the town in which MSSM is located, has less than half the national average of crime (3). It is a well known fact that many towns with little valuable or illegal things to steal have lower crime rates in general. This is illustrated in this article, (4) where Falmouth police chief Ed Tolan made the statement "If I'm going to commit a burglary to look for jewelry and such ... South Portland, Cumberland, Falmouth, the nicer areas of Portland, that's where you're going to get your best bang for the buck." As for testing scores, MSSM students all are 100% ready for college based on the AP college exam, (5) while only about a fourth (26%) of the students at Greely High School are ready (6). At a speech that the Executive Director, Luke Shorty, gave at the MSSM prospective students' open house in the month of November 2013, he told the crowd that all of the teachers who teach at the school are advanced in their fields, going so far as to say that the majority of teachers have a Master's Degree or higher in their fields. Regarding the sports program, I would like to make it a point to Pro that this debate is over a school that is named the "Maine School of Science and Mathematics". The school specializes in intellectual schools of thought rather than sports. However, the school is partnered with the Limestone Community School, which has multiple full sports teams that the MSSM students can participate in, including swimming, cross-country, soccer, and football. Another pertinent fact here is the point that Greely High School does not have some "of the top", as Pro said, rankings in sports itself. For example, Greely is only ranked number four for basketball in Maine (7). The final thing that I would like to touch on in your statement is where Pro found his study for "cleanness". I am not sure where that comes from and why it is pertinent and related to having a better school program, but it is most definitely unimportant and unfounded until proven otherwise by Pro.

"3. It is in the Greater Portland Area, rated the fourth best place in the country to live, one of the main reasons being all of the amazing schools in the area"

I do not have much to say about this point, but once again I need to know where Pro found this evidence to respond to it properly. I do not know which portion of the population the study surveyed, or if the editors chose them, but it is purely conjectural at this point in time. After some research, I found three articles (8) (9) (10) concerning the "best places to live" in the US, none of which denoting the Greater Portland Area as number four. The point that Pro makes when he says "all of the amazing schools in the area" is also irrelevant because we are talking about one school in it, not all of the different options for education. Pro also has not provided a source for this fragment of info, either.

"4. Being the Portland area, it has far more access to amenities than MSSM, which is in Limestone, one of the most secluded towns in the state"

Pro is misconstruing the meaning of the word "amenities" here. The word in actuality refers to useful or necessary features of a certain place. Pro is implying that it means interesting or fun places to travel to and do things. If one uses the actual definition of the word "amenities", then Pro would be very wrong. MSSM is a large school, larger than Greely High School, as a matter of fact (11) (12). It is heated, has plumbing, has an exercise room, has a gym, a swimming pool, an engineering lab, multiple computer labs, a library, dorms, music rooms, a baseball field, a playground, and the majority of educators live either next to the school on adjacent streets or towns, or in the dorms themselves (13). If Pro was implying the meaning that I believe he was talking about, then he meant entertaining places for students to go in their free time. I would like to challenge this, as well. In the nearby Presque Isle, there is a large mall which contains many popular stores such as a JC Penney, Olympia Sports, and FYE (For Your Entertainment) (14).

As two closing statements, I would firstly like to say that students can earn college credits by taking UMPI (University of Maine at Presque Isle) certified classes alongside their normal ones, by learning from teachers who are specially accredited by the University of Maine system, something which the school that Pro is supporting does not offer, but looks monumentally better on an application, cover letter, or r"sum" (15). The second and final point that I want to convey is MSSM's engineering lab, called the "MakerSpace". Engineering classes transpire there, providing students with both an abundance of spare parts and computers to create project with guidance or from scratch (16).

Sources:
1. http://www.mssm.org...
2. http://money.cnn.com...
3. http://www.usa.com...
4. http://www.pressherald.com...
5. http://www.usnews.com...
6. http://www.usnews.com...
7. http://bit.ly...
8. http://money.cnn.com...
9. http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
10. http://livability.com...
11. http://bit.ly... (GHS)
12. http://bit.ly... (MSSM)
13. http://www.mssm.org...
14. http://www.aroostookcentremall.com...
15. http://www.umpi.edu...
16. http://www.mssm.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Writer-Menz

Pro

Writer-Menz forfeited this round.
SGilley

Con

My opponent has seemingly forfeited this round. I await Pro's argument and proof eagerly.
Debate Round No. 2
Writer-Menz

Pro

Writer-Menz forfeited this round.
SGilley

Con

Pro has still not yet fulfilled his BoP. However, I will still await your final chance at an argument, Pro.
Debate Round No. 3
Writer-Menz

Pro

Writer-Menz forfeited this round.
SGilley

Con

SGilley forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
4 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 4 records.
Posted by SGilley 3 years ago
SGilley
It's fine. I had a feeling it would happen as not many sites support foreign characters, but I just wanted to let people know that it wasn't my fault.
Posted by Senatus 3 years ago
Senatus
"Prove your points and I will prove them wrong"
Seems slightly aggressive, s well as not working. If you prove a point, doesn't that mean that it cannot be proved wrong?
Posted by Senatus 3 years ago
Senatus
You can report that glitch in one of the forums, SGilley.
Posted by SGilley 3 years ago
SGilley
I would like to point out a glitch. Before I said cited source 15, it says r"sum". This is a technical error in which the site does not let you type in accents, like the acute one that I was looking for here, so it changes it to other characters. This was not a miserable spelling error on my part.
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