This will be a rematch of the last debate with my opponet as he was unable to finish the argument due to "unexpected circumstances".
I wish my opponet luck and look forward to an amazing debate
I accept your rematch, I was out for a few weeks at the hospital. We agreed to copy and paste our previous debate before I unexpectedly forfeited and continue from their.All rules were posted on the previous debate so here is a link to our previous unfinished debate: http://www.debate.org...
Thank you for accepting and good luck
As pro stated, guns are violent weapons that wreak havoc on the people of America, whether they be at home, at a movie, in church, or at school, these weapons bring death wherever they go. However, would putting a restriction on this weapon that makes it to where only a specific group of people could obtain it benefit America or harm America? I would like to take you over seas to the United Kingdom where they put a ban on all firearms in 1997. In 1996, one year prior to the ban, the murder rate was 1.12 per 100,000 people. In 1997, the year that the ban was implemented, the murder rate rose to 1.24, and in 1998 it rose even further to 1.43 per 100,000 before finally reaching its peak in 2002 with a homicide rate of 2.1 per 100,000 people.
People will always find a way to kill others without guns whether it be stabbing, hanging, drugging, choking, etc. people will find a way to kill someone without a gun. A study that was conducted by Harvard University in August, 2013 says "Researchers looked at crime data from several European countries and found that countries with HIGHER gun ownerships often had LOWER murder rates." This quote shows that people can and will find a way to murder someone even if a gun law is enforced. The Harvard Study goes further into the subject by bringing up a country that has the most strict gun law in effect, Russia. "Russia, for example, enforces very strict gun control on its people, but its murder rate remains quite high. In fact, murder rate in Russia is four times higher than in the "gun-ridden" United States." The following study further increases evidence that banning guns will result in America's crime rate going up instead of it going down.
I would like to stay in Europe for right now and I would like to talk about countries that don't have this law in effect. According to the same study conducted by Harvard University, some of the lowest crime rates were found in countries that do not have gun restrictions present such as Germany, France, Norway, and Finland compared to some of the highest crime rates that were found in countries with a gun law present such as the United Kingdom, Russia, and Luxembourg where, according to the study, the crime rate is nine times higher than Germany in 2002. The following study shows that keeping guns available to the public will keep our crime rate lower while putting a gun ban will make our crime rate go higher. According to an article posted on guncite.com by David B. Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli, "Switzerland virtually has no gun crime. Therefore, argue the pro-gunners, America doesn't need gun control." This quote shows that a small country like Switzerland that legally requires every male adult to own a gun so that he can protect his family from a threat to their lives or the lives of those around them.
NOTE: This is the first round argument that I had with Pyevchik in our last debate that went unfinished due to his hospital visit, rounds 2 and 3 will be the last two arguments that we had before his absence and we will continue on from there with new arguments. Also forget the first paragraph as it related to the second round of the last debate and that is why it says what it says.
With this data, it is undeniable that gun control will lower homicide and suicide rates. You bring up many countries that have high murder rates, but one country you didn't talk about is Australia. In 1996 a mass-shooting killed 35 people in Port Arthor. Two weeks later the Prime Minister at the time passed pretty much the most strict gun restrictions in history. Around 650,000 automatic and semi-automatic weapons were destroyed. During the course of a decade there was a 59% drop in gun related homicides (non-gun related stayed level) and during the course of the same ten years there were no mass shootings.
High murder-rates are common is mid-income countries such as Russia, Mexico, Brazil, etc. Different countries have different reasons for high murder rates, for example Mexico and Brazil have some of the highest drug rates in the world. That is most likely the reason for their high crime rates. With Russia they have many poverty, inequality, and social problems.
Next I would like to talk about robberies, most specifically armed robberies. In 2012, 354,520 robberies were committed in the USA. This resulted in a whopping $414 million in losses. Unless you are some kind of ninja you probably aren't going to rob a modern store (security systems, alarms, cameras, etc.) without a weapon. Bottom line you won't get your money unless you have some kind of weapon and again in America the handgun is the most popular one!
"On the contrary, the US, with the most guns per head in the world, has the highest rate of deaths from firearms, while Japan, which has the lowest rate of gun ownership, has the least." (Source is at the bottom)
"In some of the recent mass shootings " for instance those in Aurora, Tucson, Oak Creek, Virginia Tech " it has been suggested that the killer was mentally ill and that lack of treatment was a bigger issue than gun ownership. With this in mind, the New York-based doctors looked in their study not only at the relationship of gun ownership to firearms deaths but also mental illness.
They examined data from 27 developed countries, using gun ownership figures from the Small Arms Survey and deaths from the World Health Organisation, the National Center for Health Statistics and others. They also looked at crime rates compiled by the United Nations for an indication of the safety of each country.
More guns meant more deaths, they found. "The gun ownership rate was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death," says Bangalore. "Private gun ownership was highest in the US. Japan, on the other end, had an extremely low gun ownership rate. Similarly, South Africa (9.4 per 100,000) and the US (10.2 per 100,000) had extremely high firearm-related deaths, whereas the United Kingdom (0.25 per 100,000) had an extremely low rate of firearm-related deaths.
"There was a significant correlation between guns per head per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other. This argues against the notion of more guns translating into less crime. South Africa was the only outlier in that the observed firearms-related death rate was several times higher than expected from gun ownership."
High rates of mental illness in any country, on the other hand, did not predict more gun deaths."(Source at the bottom)
Scorchtheblaze forfeited this round.
Sorry for the forfeit, I forgot all about the argument as we are going through exam week right now.
Pro, according to your statement "In some of the recent mass shootings " for instance those in Aurora, Tucson, Oak Creek, Virginia Tech " it has been suggested that the killer was mentally ill and that lack of treatment was a bigger issue than gun ownership.” according to Listverse, rampage shooters, such as Seung-Hui Cho and James Holmes, like to target softer targets such as schools, movie theaters, etc. that they know they can attack with little resistance given by the target.
Allow me to repeat that comment again, “it has been suggested that the killer was mentally ill and that lack of treatment was a bigger issue than gun ownership.” The key part of that sentence is that “the killer was mentally ill” and it has been scientifically proven that people who suffer from mental illnesses are not themselves when they commit this crime and if they had been dealt with accordingly or reported by friends or family, they wouldn't’t have gotten the opportunity to do these awful crimes.
Like our friend in the comment section of this debate said, “we have two large countries attached by border and an entire continent below us can reach us without leaving a landmass. Australia is an island nation, so if they destroy tons of weapons, it will be much more difficult to bring that number of weapons into the country through illegal means.” He is not wrong about Australia simply because they can check what is being shipped in and out of Australia while America is prone to having guns illegally brought into the country unannounced and unnoticed.
I’m sure all of you that are reading are aware of the bill of rights, most presumably the 2nd amendment that was signed into the Bill of rights that says “"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This amendment is saying that we as Americans have the right to own a gun if we want to. I would like to repeat the last part of the amendment saying “shall not be infringed.” This says that no matter what, congress can not pass a law that restricts Americans from owning a gun since the Bill of Rights was signed.
According to theclause, “The second amendment guarantees the people a way to defend themselves, should the need arise. In past times, arming the population was a safeguard against possible government tyranny and dictatorship.” The quote here is basically implying that all throughout history, guns have been used by the people of America to protect either the country or the people of this country.
Guns have been used throughout American history to help protect the country or its people, the Revolutionary war and the Charles Whitman (The Texas Tower Sniper) incident are a few cases that come to mind. Now I want you to just imagine what it would’ve been like if guns were banned during these two times, the British would’ve won the war and there's no telling how many people Charles Whitman would’ve gone on to kill if guns were banned.
According to gun owners of America (GOA), guns have been proven to save more lives than they take. “Guns used in 2.5 million times a year in self-defence. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year.” By banning guns, America is opening the door for even more crimes to occur such as robbery. “As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.” If America was to ban guns, these women would suffer even more crimes such as rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment.
American’s will suffer even more crimes that are sex related or robbery related if we were to put a ban on guns.Sources:
"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Most people including Con focus on "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", but the key word here is "militia". Around the time our government had begun they had no idea if America would survive as a country. The possibility of an attack was beyond real. Most of the states didn't trust each other that much, and America was just a big mess.
According to Dictionary. com, the definition of militia is:
a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
"What the Second Amendment did"t do was grant any drunken a$$hole the right to stagger into a gun shop and buy an assault rifle without a single background check. In 1939, the Supreme Court even ruled that:"The Second Amendment must be interpreted and applied with the view of its purpose of rendering effective Militia."
"There is no constitutional "right" to carry a concealed weapon, no "right" to use armor-piercing bullets"just the right to defend yourself against intruders. And as Stephen King famously said: "if you can"t kill an intruder with ten rounds, you need to go back to the shooting range."
During the Revolutionary War, pretty much every willing man that was in good shape had to help fight for the freedom of America. They had guns for a reason people were outcome
IN ONE YEAR ON AVERAGE* (all ages)
" More than 100,000 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, accidents,
or by police intervention.
31,537 people die from gun violence:
11,583 people are murdered.
18,783 people kill themselves.
584 people are killed accidentally.
334 are killed by police intervention.
252 die but intent is not known.
71,386 people survive gun injuries:
51,249 people are injured in an attack.
3,627 people survive a suicide attempt.
15,815 people are shot accidentally.
694 people are shot by police intervention.
IN ONE YEAR ON AVERAGE* (ages 0-19)
" More than 18,000 American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts,
accidents, or by police intervention.
2,829 kids die from gun violence:
1,888 children and teens are murdered.
766 children and teens kill themselves.
124 children and teens killed accidentally.
18 are killed by police intervention.
34 die but the intent was unknown.
15,428 kids survive gun injuries:
11,929 are injured in an attack.
254 survive a suicide attempt.**
3,164 are shot accidentally.
81 are shot in a police intervention.**
EVERY DAY ON AVERAGE* (all ages)
" Every day, 282 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts,
accidents, and police intervention.
" Every day, 86 people die from gun violence: 32 are murdered; 51 kill themselves; 2 die
accidentally; 1, intent unknown.
" Every day, 196 are shot and survive: 140 shot in an assault; 10 survive a suicide attempt; 43
are shot accidentally, 2 are shot in a police intervention.
EVERY DAY ON AVERAGE* (ages 0-19)
" Every day, 50 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts,
accidents, and police intervention.
" Every day, 8 children and teens die from gun violence: 5 are murdered; 2 kill themselves.
" Every day, 42 children and teens are shot and survive: 33 shot in an assault; 1 survives a
suicide attempt; 9 are shot accidentally.
You cannot just ignore this data...
Scorchtheblaze forfeited this round.