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mfigurski80
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Hand a rich person a shovel he can work all day hand a poor man a shovel he will not last a hour

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mfigurski80
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/9/2015 Category: Economics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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pillcrunch

Pro

simply put poor people are lazy compared to rich people who have strong work ethic poor people are lazy and only want obama phones and handouts
mfigurski80

Con

I think that my partner has it the other way around. Everywhere in the world, especially in strict capitalistic nations, the poor were, are, and will be regularly exploited by the richer citzens. A great example, though maybe extreme, is China.

It seems that the arguing statement is "poor people are lazy compared to rich people"

Definitions:
Poor - lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society
Rich - having a great deal of money or assets; wealth
Lazy - unwilling to work or use energy
(All definitions retrieved from Google)

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Since my partner hasn't provided any structure, I will presume that it is the following standard:
Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2 : Main Points
Round 3 : Rebuttals/Defense


Anyway, thanks for posting this debate, and good luck! I await your points.
Debate Round No. 1
pillcrunch

Pro

pillcrunch forfeited this round.
mfigurski80

Con

I agree with the comment psoted, that we are both really generalizing. However, a majority of rich people are lazy simply because they CAN be.

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Buisnesses, especially larges ones, generally run themselves. The buisness owner doesn't have to work at the cash register, nor does he have to drive and transport porducts. Owners and CEO's usually only make executive decisions, which are few in number. Which advertisement is better, which company we should be supplied by, small things like that. Doing so, they use much less energy, and do much less work than the people under them.

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Poorer workers are usually exploited by the higher classes. Taxes for the rich have steadily declined since WWII, and the founder of a chocolate company "Hershey" once said that he has "more money than he needs". Well, why not give it to the workers? You can see that buisnesses owners generally hold more money for themselves, giving less to people under them. This, in turn, forces impoverished workers to work harder to get what they need. The federal minimum is around 7.25 currently. That is barely enough to hold one over the poverty level, but what if you have a family? A child to care for? Then, you would fit our definition of "poor", and the government would surely give you some financial aid.

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Debate Round No. 2
pillcrunch

Pro

pillcrunch forfeited this round.
mfigurski80

Con

Its a shame that so many people create debates to never look at them later on. Oh well, since my partner hasn't given me any points for me to rebut, I shall simply pour some of my frustration into this post.

This would have been a very interesting debate, largely because the debated statement conflicts with what I personally believe. Rich people, again, usually sit behind desks and exploit poorer people. For example, the largest case of this are the insurance companies. If I ever get one wish to change the world, they will all go bankrupt.

First, lets illustrate just how much money these companies earn. If, theoretically, a new company wants to establish itself in particular town, or state, this would be it's way of thinking.

Lets say that there are 100 crashes in a month inside the town that we will service. And the total amount of damage by those crashes was 3,000,000 dollars. So, some simple division, and we find that each crash costed roughly 30,000 dollars. And if there are 500 cars in the town, then each car has to pay 30,000/500 dollars per month, which is 60 dollars per month. Not much, is it?
But, what if there is a month in which there are more crashes than usual? Well, the companies double the original 60 dollars, just in case.

They still have to pay their workers though. They add another 30 dollars per month, which totals to 150 now. And the company wants to expand, build more stuff, service more people. They raise it to 190. But what about the owner. Do you think he'd be satisfied with any less than 50 dollars a month from each car? Most owners take even more, but lets make it ONLY 240. Suddenly, the original 60 needed change to something 3, 4 times that amount. It's horrifying, but profitable like heck.

So, why do people buy insurance? Because the government requires it. Why would they care? The companies pay them off. Consider it a form of taxation, except everything gets processed by a private insurance company. Look at Obamacare, it was implemented after Obama saw he couldn't handle the finances.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Mark81 2 years ago
Mark81
You are generalizing here. Not all poor people are lazy. Yes there will be poor people lazy but that is also the case with some rich people. There are people just get millions from an inheritance and sit on that money the rest of their lives and don't do any work.
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