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Harder to be a woman in society than a man?

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Started: 1/28/2017 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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adre000

Con

In today's emerging society, would you say that woman have it harder than men, or do men have it harder? if so, why?
Phenenas

Pro

I will be arguing that women, in general, have much harder lives in society than men. I'll allow Con to make the first argument.
Debate Round No. 1
adre000

Con

Which society are we referring to? if the western society you are referring to then I would have to disagree. Think about how woman often get better maternity leave treatment when compared to men. Often this is longer and it is paid.
Phenenas

Pro

As the person who made this debate, it was your job to specify which society we're talking about in the title or Round 1, which you didn't. Because your phrasing was vague ("today's emerging society"), I'll be arguing that women in general have it worse off in all societies, western or not. Obviously, most women in Saudi Arabia have more difficult lives than U.S. women, but I'm going to talk about certain biological and social truths which apply to all women.

My first argument is divided into five sections:
1. Cosmetics
2. Clothing
3. Menstruation
4. Rape
5. Pregnancy and Motherhood

1. Cosmetics
In most societies, women are expected to wear makeup regularly in order to look appealing. This requires a veritable toolkit of all kinds of intricate little devices simply for the purpose of looking prettier. Many women make use of primer, foundation, contour, blush, dipbrow, eyeliner, eyeshadow, mascare, lip liner, and lipstick every single day. Surveys have found that ladies spend an average of 55 minutes a day applying beauty products. [1] Not to mention that women, barring the scalp and eye regions, are expected to be virtually hairless. Every couple of weeks or so, women undergo rituals of plucking, trimming, and shaving to meticulously remove every hair from their body. Not to mention they often pour hot wax onto their skin, let it dry, and rip every single hair out by the root. Most males in the world aren't pressured to dedicate that much time, attention, and pain to their physical appearance.

2. Clothing
This partly goes hand-in-hand with the above. Women willingly squeeze into high heels, corsets, girdles, stay-up stockings, short skirts, pencil skirts, and skinny jeans simply to enhance their sex appeal. And simply out of necessity, they wear itchy, sweaty, uncomfortable bras. Men are expected to wear somewhat uncomfortable suits on formal occasions, but nothing to this degree.

3. Menstruation
Perhaps the number one reason I'm happy to be male. After about a week of irritability and mood swings, women discard their uterine lining every month, excreting blood and mucus from their genital cavities, and requiring a certain product simply to avoid leaving stains on their clothing. These periods are accompanied by cramps in the lower abdomen that range from moderate to severe. Nearly every girl in the world, post-puberty and pre-menopause, has to put up with these. Males have nothing even remotely similar to deal with.

4. Rape
While it's certainly possible for a man to be raped, far more women have to worry about the horrible act simply in their day-to-day lives. Nearly 1 in 5 women have been raped at some point in their lives, yet only 1 in 71 men have been raped [2]. Most males can walk alone around a city after dark without a second thought, but women, having been so warned by their elders, are haunted by the idea of assault. Self-defense classes, as well as defense products like rape whistles and pepper sprays, are marketed towards women. The tragedy of sexual assault is one that plagues women all over the world.

5. Pregnancy and Motherhood
The only point Con made (without citing any sources) about men having more difficult lives is about how women get paid maternity leave in some countries. I don't think it matches with the points I listed above, and no maternity leave can ever compensate for the horrible experience of childbirth. Imagine running a risk of being injected with an alien parasite every time you have sex. If transmission is successful, the parasite grows and develops in your womb for nine months, causing your belly to bloat, leading to mood swings, strange shifts in appetite, and and a hindrance from doing any physical activity. And when the baby is ready to clamber out, get ready for one of the worst possible pains felt by humankind, one that has been variously described as being stabbed in the gut, having one's insides squeezed and twisted, and getting one's hips yanked apart [3]. And it doesn't stop there. Women in all cultures are expected to tend more closely to their infant then men - tending to it, feeding it, bathing it, watching it at all times, coddling it when it cries, obsessing over it, all day long for endless years. Many women claim that having a career is easier than taking care of a baby, lending suspicion to Con's claim that having maternity leave makes their lives easier. While some men (for whatever reason) take on the daunting task of caring for an infant, it's never as many as the women, not in any culture in the world. And they certainly don't have to worry about the horrors of labor.

In conclusion, women have to go through so much on a daily and monthly basis that all the collective suffering of men simply cannot compare to. There is no contest at all; it's harder to be a woman than a man in all societies.

SOURCES:
1. http://www.womenshealthmag.com...
2. http://www.nsvrc.org...
3. http://www.parents.com...
Debate Round No. 2
adre000

Con

Ok I will begin.

1 & 2. Cosmetics and clothing response:
Despite the pressures that woman face in regards to being expected to rigorously invest a large amount of money and time into conforming to the female standards of what their society expects them to look like, there is another issue that must be addressed. The very fact that there is a vast amount of cosmetic options for woman when compared to men, reflects how woman are empowered with more optional freedoms when it comes to how they wish to appear. For example, If the average man were to suffer from acne or other facial imperfections, he simply cannot walk into a makeup store without realising that the majority of products have been produced solely for the female market. Furthermore, I don't believe that it is a case that woman are expected to wear sex-appealing clothing such as skirts or skinny jeans, I think it's more to do with the fact that they have been conditioned to believe that it is the only way in which they can conform to the female beauty standards of western society; this is not the case, however, in other cultures pertaining to some areas of Sweden or Denmark where the standards for female beauty are not revolved around tight uncomfortable clothing but rather loose, comfortable clothing. Simply put, woman of today are more empowered than ever to wear what they want, they simply choose to conform to the standards of beauty which dictate that they can only be beautiful if they wear tight uncomfortable clothing, which is not the case if you were to ask most men.

3. Menstruation Response & Rape:
The only issue I could possibly agree with you on is that woman physicologically have an easier time than men, however, when we look at the societal issues related to how men and woman are treated, we can definitely see an imbalance. For example, you made the point that less men are raped compared to woman, now logically this makes sense due to the main reason that it is physically easier for a woman to be violated than it is for a man to be, however, the very fact that men are shunned/ridiculed for coming out about being victims of domestic violence and rape, further emphasises how there must be so many unreported cases of male rape that just gets brushed under the rug. If a woman were to come out about such a thing, not only would she be given the upmost diligence, but she would be provided with a wide range of optional charity support information as a result. How many men's rape/domestic violence charities are there to support male victims? The main issue is that, we can never really form an accurate comparison of male rapes compared to female rapes due to the fact that the real statistics of male rapes remain unreported (possibly to a large scale) and therefore do not represent the full extent of male victimisation. But what we can agree on is that woman are more encouraged to come forward whereas men wlll be vilified and therefore demasculinized by society for doing so. Moreover, many woman of today have been brought up with the notion that they are vulnerable and must take many precautions to avoid such a situation, which appears to have originated from the extreme right-wing feminism propaganda which has given woman the heightened false sense of fear about the notion of being victimised. This has led to many cases in which woman will now declare that she has felt violated even if a man mistakenly lightly brushes shoulders with her while walking into her, for example.

To conclude, the average woman wields far more power than the average man due to the fact that we seem to value woman more in society; there is simply countless support in terms of domestic abuse/rape charities for woman when compared to the 1-2 that may be out there for men. We also have not covered the issue that woman are often favoured over the courts when it comes to divorces, since in the majority of cases, woman are given full custody of most of the assets.
Phenenas

Pro

For this final round, I will point out some logical flaws in my opponent's rebuttal.

"If the average man were to suffer from acne or other facial imperfections, he simply cannot walk into a makeup store without realising that the majority of products have been produced solely for the female market."

What's wrong with that and how does that make male lives in any way more difficult? Tons of male celebrities such as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, and Tom Cruise wear makeup, and they aren't at all ridiculed for it.

"Simply put, woman of today are more empowered than ever to wear what they want, they simply choose to conform to the standards of beauty which dictate that they can only be beautiful if they wear tight uncomfortable clothing..."

Notice that I never denied this. I never said that women are forced to wear uncomfortable attire; I made pretty clear that it's their choice. This doesn't, however, make high heels any less unbearable on the feet.

Con seems to have seceded that women have a lot more to deal with than men on a physiological level, which in and of itself could carry the debate. But for the sake of argument, let's put it to the side for now.

"men are shunned/ridiculed for coming out about being victims of domestic violence and rape"

Where is your evidence for this? Where are your sources, quotes, and citations? You can't make a general claim like this without backing it up. And there's no way you can possibly know that most male rapes go unreported, because, well, they're unreported.

"How many men's rape/domestic violence charities are there to support male victims?"

I agree that it's a tragedy that so little attention is given to rape and domestic abuse of males, but there's a clear logical reason for this: women are raped and domestically abused far more often. If anything, your reasoning clearly points to why women have it worse by far.

"extreme right-wing feminism propaganda"

Now there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

"the average woman wields far more power than the average man due to the fact that we seem to value woman more in society"

Apparently Con has decided to change the debate topic. We're talking about which sex has more difficult lives in general, not which wields more power.

Con brings up, in literally the last sentence, the issue of women being favored in divorce trials. This is a fair point that I wish Con could have expanded upon, preferably in Round 2. But when you stack that up against issues like cosmetics, menstruation, rape, domestic abuse, childbirth, and maternity, there is simply no question which gender is worse off in this world. I wish Con the best of luck in the voting period.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by SwagWaffle 1 year ago
SwagWaffle
By the way, some advice. Pro if you want to win, focus on anywhere else but Western Society. And don't just go and say women have it harder because they have the option to look sexy. Also, some anecdotal evidence that is probably incorrect, I've tried my mom'says sandals, and they feel really confortable. So please don't say everything women wear is unconfortable and they are forced to wear it by the evil patriarchy.
Posted by SwagWaffle 1 year ago
SwagWaffle
Oh and pro. By saying only women have to worry about rape, cuz mostly women are raped, according to you. Oh and the 1 in 5 statistic is for anything from cancelling to rape. Where did you get that statistic, Femenist Frequency? Anyways, most men that are raped don't have anywhere to go to help them, as there is women only rape shelters. Also, by this logic, MEN should be more afraid to be on the street at night, cuz they are more likely to get robbed or killed. You know, at least I'm a guy, so that I don't have to be worried about getting raped. Right? Right? I'm going to go to target. Oh who's that fine gentleman holding a sharp, rusty blade?
Posted by SwagWaffle 1 year ago
SwagWaffle
If you are talking about America, it is obvious men have it harder, with selective services, 99.9% combat deaths, and the fact mostly every work related death is a guy. Women in America, although they have a few daily nuisances like clothing, looks, and monthly menstruation, how does THAT make hard working men who have died in conflicts and in workplaces have anot easier life. I'm surprised con didn't bring those up. In western society, con would easily destroy pro, but if you mean any other place, then one: you didn't bring it up in the title; and two: pro should easily destroy con in this one. It kind of goes without saying that women have a lot of issues in other societies besides beauty standards.
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