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Mikegj1077
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Harley-Davidson over a Jap bike?

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Started: 1/18/2008 Category: News
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,993 times Debate No: 1948
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Mikegj1077

Pro

People of all political persuasions have been heard to say "Buy American." Well, if you're in the market for a motorcycle, Buy Harley-Davidson.
Jagbag

Con

I find it hard to argue against such a shallow argument with much rational sense, but by the Gods, I will try!

First off, Harley and the American motorcycle industry are in virtually no hot water at all. It would be nice if a few more Americans bought a few more Harleys, but it's far from necessary. H-D profits have been going steadily upward in the recent years, with net worth totalling at almost 7 billion. And this isn't even to mention the other American motorcycle companies.

Additionally, the American motorcycle industry only faces a friendly rivalry from "Jap" rivals, such as Honda, Suzuki and... well, that's all that comes to mind, really. This rivalry extends into sales and not much else, there's no threat of outsourcing or any type of deeper industry destruction.

But, when it comes to actually buying a motorcycle, why not buy Japanese anyway? There's by far more efficient by the mile per gallon, are more comfortable, and much less noisy. While the "bad boy" appeal is lost, you still get to feel the road more, and help save the earth while you're at it. What's not to like about the Japanese, when they have clear advancements over Harley?
Debate Round No. 1
Mikegj1077

Pro

You are correct on most of your points. I used to own a couple of Honda 450s. They are well-engineered. The V-twin design of the H-D is appealing but a bad design for a host of reasons.

Harley did outsource some of its components. The engine, I believe, was manufactured in Brazil when AMD owned it and I think most or all of the engine today is made in Italy. The electronics, like everything else, is foreign. As a free market person, I regret to say that Harley did get some sort of favorable treatment from the government when it was going through financial problems.

I own one for nostalgic reasons, probably not a very good reason in itself. My dad raced Harley's and Indians back in the late 1930s and early ‘40s. My H-D is not my main source of transportation so fuel efficiency is not an issue.

I'll concede this debate to you on the major points.
Jagbag

Con

Jagbag forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Mikegj1077

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Jagbag

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Debate Round No. 3
Mikegj1077

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Mikegj1077 forfeited this round.
Jagbag

Con

Since my opponent already conceded, and I haven't been able to develop any points for the last rounds due to inactivity, I don't see the point in continuing the debate right now.

That said, yay.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Jagbag 9 years ago
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Sorry for missing a round, I had lots and lots of midterms and testing -_-
Posted by ahundredhighways 9 years ago
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i'm all about buying american, its the quailty

and yeah, honda atv's are in my opinion the best by far, but i lost a debate on that, but it doesn't matter because i wanted it to be a posting for everyones opinions, but that didn't work out either
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