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Harry Potter VS Twilight

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Started: 9/17/2015 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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percyjacksonisdabest

Pro

I believe that Harry Potter as a whole is a better series than Twilight. Harry Potter teaches kids about courage and hope as well as the ability to believe in fantasy. In my opinion Harry Potter brings reading to a whole new level and sophistication. Harry Potter is very well thought out and has a wonderful plotline. Many people can relate to Harry Potter, kids as well as adults mainly because of the way that you grow with the characters as you progress through the story. (And because the story has many adult and kid figures mixed). A famous quote from Albus Dumbledore (a wise character in the Harry Potter series) is "Do not dwell on dreams". How did Stephanie Meyers get the idea for Twilight? That's right, from a dream.

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When discussing matters such as 'which series' or 'movies' was/were better, we must realize that Pro's subjective interpretation of them and the lessons they chose to take from them are one of the most unreliable and ridiculous ways to go about it.

Here are facts about both series. Harry Potter's storyline revolved around a group of children growing up, this meant all already-grown adults could barely relate to it and limited the fanbase heavily to people of a certain age range whereas with twilight people of all ages could find something in it to relate to.

In Harry potter the 'buff' and 'tough' guys were demonized and hated on, look at Viktor in Goblet of fire or any of the slytherins, any guy who could be extremely hot and admirable in ways but who chose more of a rough way of life were demonized and exalted. In twilight both Jacob (the 'tough guy') and Edward (the 'not-so-macho guy') and both were able to have bad and redeemable qualities.

In Harry Potter only the slim or unfit characters were admired, the only relatively buff one who wasn't evil got killed off (Cedric diggory) and really the sex was just stupid (I mean Harry and Ginny do not go together at all). There was next to no love rivalry and if there was the winner just used potions to beat the other until the other won them back afterwards... That encourages drug-induced rape tbph (what even were these 'love potions' exactly? I'm guessing Chloroform or Rohypnol).

Harry Potter himself is not entirely a character worth following, he's irrational, over-confident, bad taste in women and frankly is a rude guy on top of it (to anyone other than his pedo gay friend Dumbledore).

In twilight even when they are fighting over the same woman, Jacob and Edward show respect for one another as she is important. In Harry Potter, Harry just gets friendzoned and is like, okay let me f*** your bf's sister. What kind of logic or morality is that?

The entire storyline is outrageous as well. If things are getting boring they just bring in a new creature or character to spice things up, in Twilight they use very much the same ones in new ways in actually creative storylines where you literally had no idea who would win Bella over up until the last book. While Jacob lost, he didn't just take the friendzone and go for Ed's sister did he now? He fought like a real man/werewolf to the bitter end and accepted his defeat after some grieving which is important to teach teens and children who will one day grow to be adults and also to please adult readers with as it's a good way to go about love.

In Harry no one is passionate enough to fight over a partner for long, if love doesn't work out they literally move onto a new partner by the next book and there's 7, in Twilight 4 entire books the same people were still fighting to the bitter end that's real passion and dedication. Vampires and Werewolves are also much stronger and magnificent supernatural beings than wizards, warlocks and wizards. Spells that need to be learned? Boring. A set of skill you learn very quickly being used in lightning fast intense fights? Awesome!

As for the actual way the stories go, in Twilight there's no true 'bad' or 'good' guy it's what you choose to make of each character and each has their good and bad moments, this important to teach children. Don't refuse to ever forgive someone but don't glorify them either. In Harry Potter, only bravery is glorified, being 'cunning' (which just means socially smart), 'intellectual' (ravenclaw), or 'honest' (hufflepuff) are trampled on. brave and extroverted people are not superior to others and making this apparent the entire series is very emotionally damaging to readers who are not of the gryffindor persona. Why did Gryffindor have to win house points every year? Why did Harry have to be so popular? Everything was oriented to outgoing, popular people and any introverted people with complex morality compasses or personas were all made to either die or be villains. It is totally and utterly ridiculous.

All the main characters had next to no complexity to them, all sub-mains too, only the enemies of the main characters or characters that had barely any time had genuinely complex personalities. Draco and Voldemort were by far the most interesting characters the entire series the only main 'good guy' who had any remote inner twists was Dumbledore, guess what the conflict was? He was homosexual, big f***ing whoop. He wasn't even a good guy though, he manipulated Snape to take the brunt of his own pathological lying and Snape just bent over and took it. It is a really ridiculous story where only bad or non-main characters have any complexity to them. Harry Potter was just an arrogant guy with no taste in women, Ron was an airhead with some random spur-of-the-moment flukes of ingenuity, Hermione was a sexually frustrated nerd who had a thing for airheads that had spur-of-the-moment flukes of ingenuity and the other characters were boring.

The moral of the story in Harry Potter is that fighting solves everything and winning wars is the best way to prove superiority of ideology, Twilight's moral is that anyone can win anything, it's just about timing and persistence. I know which I'd want my child growing up believing and gaining role models from.
Debate Round No. 1
percyjacksonisdabest

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Yes Harry Potter is about children growing up throughout the story, but that makes it even more relatable to adults through having different experiences that some adults could relate to when they were children. So it actually expands the readers that this book can acquire, where as Twilight can only be related to by adults or older teenagers. Twilight has no relatable qualities for children approximately 15 or younger. (Unless it is a teen pregnancy) How in the world can 12/13 year olds relate to a love story with a vampire and werewolf fawning over you and getting you pregnant with a cannibal baby? That's right they cant.

Yes in Harry Potter the main characters are not very 'buff' or 'muscly' but there is also some characters that are admired and that fit that description. Like Cedric. Yes she did kill him it was part of the plotline for the story. As for the Harry and Ginny compatibility? They do go together that's why JK Rowling made them a couple. Saying they don't go together is like saying chocolate and peanut butter go together.

And Bella is a character worth following? Let me list some differences.
* Harry Potter is courageous and brave, while Bella can only act scared and punch Jacob in the face once.
* Harry Potter does not get his girlfriend pregnant at 19. And who does? Edward and Bella.
* Harry Potter is not irrational he just thinks quickly because many times he is put into situations where he must think fast.
* Harry Potter is not rude and I don't know where you got that from. On the other hand Bella is going back and forth between 2 guys and hurting her parents all the while.
* Bad taste? Bella is doing it with a dood who GLITTERS!!! Do you see where I am getting at?

If you haven't realized Jacob and Edward obviously have no respect whatsoever for eachother. They hate eachother. They only have 'respect' for eachother when Bella is around. Also Harry and Ginny's relationship was a gradual procedure where they both liked eachother. But Bella and Edward are already making out 200 pages in!!

The storyline of Harry Potter is anything but boring. There are always new twists and events. Where in Twilight its just a dragged out love story. You're right when Jacob lost he didn't go for Edwards sister. HE WENT FOR EDWARD AND BELLA'S CANNIBAL BABY!!

1st of all people in Harry Potter realize when the person they go after isn't interested in them and they don't keep following her like Jacob in Twilight. Also Vampires and Werewolves better than wizards? I don't think so. Vampires suck peoples blood! Blood! And werewolves simply have the power to change into a wolf nothing more. But Wizards can do so much more! Their spells enable them to do pretty much anything unlike Werewolves and Vampires which are only limited to 1 or 2 powers. Also by putting them in a way that they learn these spells are showing children to stay more focused on their studies.

In Harry Potter they compliment all of the houses. And it is not damaging to readers it is showing them traits of people who are different than them. Gryffindor won the house points because the main characters were in that house and they made all the difference! Also if you look at Luna Lovegood she isn't that outgoing and she is not made out to be a bad character.

Harry Potters is completely the opposite of what you are saying. What JK Rowling is trying to tell you is that you can do anything and to be brave when needed. Twilight is showing a girl being fought over by 2 guys and she had relations with both of them!
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