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Harry Potter is better book series than Twilight.

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Started: 3/4/2012 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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itbesjaime

Pro

Topic: The Harry Potter book series by J.K. Rowling triumphs that of the Twilight saga which was written by Stephanie Meyer. Not only is HP (Harry Potter) more well rounded, but it is also far more detailed and inspiring. Meyer's books are focused on a much slimmer audience and lack the depth that Harry Potter possesses.

The Harry Potter book series with consist of the original seven books:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's (Sorcerer's) Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

The Twilight Saga will consist of the original four novels:
Twilight
New Moon
Eclipse
Breaking Dawn

Structure of the debate:
Round One: Pro presents case. Con accepts.
Round Two: Pro refutes. Con presents case, refutes and defends.
Round Three: Pro refutes and defends. Con refutes and defends.
Round Four: Pro refutes and defends. Con refutes and defends.
Round Five: Pro defends. Con defends. Voters are presented. No new arguments in this round.
Prince_Jude

Con

I accept your challenge, though I don't really agree on either front. This could be an enticingly interesting debate argument.
Debate Round No. 1
itbesjaime

Pro

The Harry Potter series consists of much better role models. Focusing on the two leading ladies both series, Hermione Granger shows how independence, knowledge, and a genuinely pure heart can bring happiness and strength even through difficult times. She often is sought after by her friends for her advanced knowledge of wizardry. She is careful and always manages to eye a situation, examine it, and warn her friends about how things could turn and not end up in their favor. She is known to be the smartest witch of her age, but never brags about it. She isn't particularly beautiful with her frizzy hair and bucked teeth, but she doesn't have self-esteem problems that would lead her to second guess herself or depend on others. In the 6th installment, her love interest (and close friend) Ron Weasley gets together with another girl. This is the second time in the entire series that Hermione cries, but it doesn't stop her world. She continuous studying and working even harder to show him what he is missing. In the 7th book, while the trio is out hunting for horcruxes (objects that contain fragments of Voldemort's soul- he's the bad guy), Ron gets tired of the search and plans to return home. After an argument that leaves Hermione distraught, Harry comforts her (she actually has friends) and they continue their search. Hermione can pull herself out of the depression, which she could easily sink into, knowing her friend and the search is more important.
Bella Swan, the main character from Twilight, can be seen as almost a polar opposite of Hermione Granger. She has moved to a new town to live with her helpless father and makes friends (I use this term loosely because she often dodges the plans they make and never calls them back) with poorly depicted high school teenagers. She instantly falls for the gorgeous Edward Cullen. She frequently is dependent on her male counter parts. Many times through the first book, Edward is saving her from her own klutziness. She falls, passes out, and almost gets hit by a van. In every case, Edward is there to literally catch her or even use his vampire abilities to damage the side of the van, making a cove so that Bella Swan is safe. He risks exposing himself to the word to save her, even though she is a complete stranger. The same resounding theme of helplessness can be seen in the beginning of New Moon. When Edward leaves Bella for Italy, she ventures further into the woods, gets lost, and curls into a ball on the forest floor, crying for hours on end until she eventually passes out. Even months later, she has nightmares of the incident. Her father often worries about her and her lack of nutrition. She even gets to the point of wanting to throw her-self off of a cliff because she fantasizes seeing Edward. A break up leaves her damaged beyond repair.
Bella Swan has no significant attributes. She is plain, skinny, pale and quite awkward. She depends on men to make her decisions. She is often found in the kitchen making food for her father (taking her traditional role in the kitchen, no doubt) and her entire existence is surrounded around two men. She falls in love with Edward and runs back to Jacob as a rebound whenever she doesn't feel wanted.
Hermione is strong, independent, and wise. Progressively through the series, you can see Hermione grow. She defends herself and even at one point punches a ruthless boy named Draco Malfoy. She creates a club vouching for the equal treatment of house elves after seeing the elves that make the food at Hogwarts (the Wizarding School she attends). She advocates equality whether it be race, species, or gender.
Prince_Jude

Con

I see the term better in this case is being used loosely.
In the case of Hermione Granger, of the Harry Potter Series Vs Bella Swan of Twilight series, I see it to be unfair fight. My point being that for the Twilight books, Bella is meant to be a portrayal of how teen girls of today act when they feel they are in love. Bella's reactions to her feelings of Edward leaving her for the "greater good" are based in the sad truth of what girls today do. The reactions and reasons for Bella's way of thinking and actions have been met with honesty, from thousands of teen girls.
Hermione on the other hand is "strong" or stubborn to a fault. Her stubbornness only leading her to trouble. In the first book of the series, Hermione does want to make an example of her superior knowledge by finding the troll that has entered the school, this leads her to need Harry and Ron to save her. Hermione's fundamental intelligence, isn't meant to be realistic to the views of the age group the book is presented to.
You make the basic point between to the two books, that there is a generalized sexism. Allow me to point several things out. Let's begin with looks. Hermione is seen to be, unattractive in her description, with frizzy hair and buck teeth. Bella is seen to be simply plain. I see there being something wrong with this. While Bella may not be spoken as intelligent, and her grades never come into question, why is then, there is a point made that Hermione is highly intelligent. My point here is that JK Rowling, obviously points at the unattractive girls need to be smart to make them any kind of appealing, whereas Stephanie Meyer, projects that plain girls, can be perfectly beautiful.
Moving on to my next point toward the sexism, point blank, yes, Bella is seen in the kitchen making food for her father, is there anything wrong with that? No there is not. This shows she is nurturing and caring of her father who is less inclined to care for himself. Hermione seems quite selfish and content with not being very nurturing of her two best friends and is often very uninvolved in their feelings.
And once more allow me to move forward, in Twilight, Edward is the 'Hero' of the book, it is his job to save Bella. He is the Superman to her Louis Lane. In Harry Potter, there is no real direct person to save Hermione should she be in trouble, in fact, she is seen as "Heroine" in the novels.
Overall I feel to compare the two females, while enticing as it may be, is an unfair fight, strictly based on their gender, not their significant roles in each of the series.
Debate Round No. 2
itbesjaime

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