Has Religion Been Beneficial (Pro) or Derimental (Con) To Soceity As A Whole?
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The first- Ancient and Modern Discrimination. Throughout history up even until modern times religion has been a KEY factor in discrimination. Examples:
When the Japanese banned Christianity and Europeans http://en.wikipedia.org...
In In India during the Muslim invasions, Muslims rulers even created LAWS banning Hindus from practicing and having the same rights as Muslims. http://www.gatewayforindia.com...
During Medieval times, when the roman catholic church ruled, those who were not Christian were persecuted greatly
In the roman empire, Christians were persecuted greatly by the polytheistic rulers http://en.wikipedia.org...
And here where I live, in The U.S.A, throughout history and even today, those who don't believe in Americas form of Christianity or a similar religion, are looked down upon .
These are just a few of many many examples of how Religion gives us a reason, gives us a cause in our minds, and in other peoples minds, to say its okay to discriminate against one another. This separates cultures, preventing them from coming together and accomplishing things beyond our wildest dreams, advancements in mathematics, science, etc. But because of religion this often cannot be accomplished. Do not misinterpret what i am saying. Do I think that religion is the only cause of discrimination and non-cooperation between people? Of course not. But I do feel that it did indeed set us back greatly throughout history and today. Both the Hindus and the Arabs made huge advancements in mathematics but were both blinded by there hate for one another religion they didn't come together, work together to make stronger advancements . Which leads me to conclude that Religion separates us room one another and allows us to discriminate against each other.
My second point - Religion has caused several large mass killings throughout recent and modern times:
Religion has been the justification of many mass killings throughout are world, all over the world. It also has been the way to unite people to these mass killings. And make hundreds of people kill others for no reasons other than to kill.
Let me just list some:
The Crusades: These were wars fought and lead by christian European to win back the "Holy Land" (Jerusalem) from Muslim rule. In the first crusade, a large army of Christians made it to the Muslim ruled city and well, killed everyone. Men, women, children, killed basically every one in the city and everyone that they saw for no other reason because they felt that city was "Special". One person describes the city eing "ankle deep in blood" this is an exaggeration but it shows you just how violent these people got, because they united under one religion to try and wipe out another from what they thought was "their" city. Read here:
http://www.history.com... for more information.
Aztec Sacrifices: Thousands of people were burned, their hearts ripped out and thrown down steps, for the sake of sacrificing people to there "gods" killing thousands, hundreds more volunteered to be killed and sacrificed as they thought it was pleasing to the gods. Sometimes even children.
The Jim Jones Suicides: This took place where cult leader Jim Jones, convinced his followers that the end of was coming and that they needed to get ready to enter heaven. He had his followers murder there over 276 children, and then had his 600+ followers kill themselves.
The Spanish Inquisition: This was a time period in which Jews were killed violently, mass converted, force baptized, because they were not converted. I will not go into deep detail as it was extreme complex. Please read here for more information:
Witch Hunts: These happened in both Europe and Salem. Women accused of being witches were often tried, and submitted to various types of torture, such as being burned on a stake or cross. Being dunked into water for minutes but not allowed to drown, etc. Often tortured until they admit to being a witch to simply escape the pain of the torture.
The Holocaust: This was probably the most horrible, religion justified mass killing of all time in which over 6 million Jews were killed en mass from concentration gassing chambers. Millions more were submitted to the harshet conditions on planet earth in work camps. Nazi soldiers wore the words "GOTT MIT UNS" meaning "God is With Us" on their belt buckles.
I could go on and on and on and on and on about the different mass killings caused by religion but i have a limited character count. This leads me to my second conclusion that religion has been the justification anduniting factor of mass killings of literally MILLIONS of lives.
My last and final point- Scientific Oppression:
Specifically Christians, during the dark ages took anything scientific as bad, or "taboo" and was considered religious heresy. Because of this for almost 1000 years scientific advancements were held back. We cold not imagine if science and math were allowed to have flourished during the times, what would have happened.
This leads me to my third conclusion that religion has furthered suppressed our scientific exploration of the natural world, preventing us from making real advancements. And setting us back nearly a thousand years .
All of this leads me to my final conclusion that because of the discrimination, murder, and scientific oppression, religion has been extremely detrimental and suppressive to society, science, and humanity.
Religion has brought many great things. The entire western civilization is practically based on religion. The reason why we do certain things is religion. Christmas? Religious activity. Easter? The exact same. Take away religion and you'll find that science suffers. The father of genetics was a devote Christian. Gregor Mendel laid the basis of the entire genealogical science ( http://en.wikipedia.org... ). Religion & Science Are Not "At War" with each other as you would imply. Religion and science are both dedicated to seeking the truth, just different truths. Science and math seek scientific truths while religion seeks spiritual truth. You wouldn't look at a textbook to decide whether it is wrong or right to kill someone or to take over the planet, just as you wouldn't check the Koran, or Bible or Torah to find out the electron arrangement for chlorine (2. 8. 7 for those interested).
Architecture- back in the days gone past, Egyptian mythology and Greek mythology was a religion. It gave us monuments. The Parthenon. The US senate building is even influenced.
You talk about religion being the cause of mass killings. So was land. People killed each other over a plot of land. People in areas of Africa killed each other over water. In fact the entire human civilization killed each other over the pettiest things. gold, food, land and recently two got into a brawl over android VS iOS. So in reality, blaming religion as a basis of bad things is both backward and stupid. Many people believe that the USA and Britain invaded Iraq for oil, for example, but I imagine very few of those people believe that oil is therefore "evil". Take your example of the holocaust. I'm pretty sure that if Hitler said "I want you to fight for me to take over the world!" It wouldn't gain any support. People tend to avoid sacrificing themselves for a maniac.
What you fail to realize is that religion was a major factor in what we know about the past. We know what happened in China many centuries ago because some monk carefully wrote it on a scroll. It is a major factor in history and what we know. Without religion, we would have lost many millions of valuable pieces of information.
Moving onto the next point, since you live in the US, religion gave the world America. Most of the Founders were Deists including Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine. The reason that so many people were willing to travel across a vast ocean was to escape religious persecution. Their dedication to their religion made America possible. This is why religion, even though it has had bad moments was the reason why progress happened. Progress happened because religion forced it to happen.
Moving onto the 21st century, religion creates wonderful charities and organizations:
Christian Children"s Fund
St. Jude"s Hospital
Habitat For Humanity International
Remuda (Eating Disorder help)
Christian Aid Canada
Christian Aid USA
International Prison Ministry
The list goes on. This only a fraction of what is out there.
Some Christian organizations are corrupt, but so are many secular organizations as well. Let us not forget that in the wake of Hurricane Katrina it was churches who stepped up, even more than the government did.
Now a major thing that religion has spread is DEMOCRACY. Let us not forget of "Manifest Destiny" which is the belief that American influence must be spread as a charitable act. This brought democracy round the world.
You say that religion " say its okay to discriminate against one another." Sarajevo is a city where in the past, was a city with Islam, Orthodoxy, Judaism and Catholicism coexisting there for centuries. It isn't fine to discriminate. If you read the bible, it says to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Regardless of religion.
This is where most people who are true with their religion would agree with me. Religion in it's pure form is not violent, nor is is dangerous. It has been a force of good throughout history. Mother Teresa for example.
You talk about how religion was the cause of wars. If religion didn't exist, what would happen then? Wars would then be fought over Patriotism. So by the same logic you would be arguing for the dissolution of government, which would lead to anarchy.
To summon up my point, religion was never for violence, nor is it for wars or deaths as my opponent would make you believe. It is a force for good. It has brought change to the world. Both good and bad. Philosophy is a lot to do with religion and religious reasoning. No religion would take the world backwards. No Religion would mean that countries wouldn't exist, people wouldn't be born. No Religion would mean that science in fact would take a step back. Therefore, I say again, in the grand scheme of humankind, religion has been a good thing for the world.
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In religions as large and ancient as Christianity and Islam there were bound to be extremists, Atheism is, after all, a trend that has started only relatively recently. Atheists are just as capable of being cruel and tyrannical, for example: Stalin. Stalin killed 20-60 million people. Most religious people don't have evil plans or try to destroy the world. Only a small group.
A true religion will make sure the world is peaceful, loving and harmonious. True religion brings equality to those who need it.
TO emphasis my point, religion is NOT a bad thing, only a small group who take it and abuse it. Hitler for example did that. Took the faith that the German people gave him and used the powers to take over most of Europe. Religion therefore has been a positive influence across the world.
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