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Has our Reality changed by governments repetitiously repeating its message

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Started: 2/18/2015 Category: Politics
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Is Reality Changed by Governments
Is Reality Changed by Governments repetitiously repeating the same messages over and over again. Our present government has managed to gain control of the media and consequently their message goes out daily which they wish to endoctorinate the public.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "Governments have always practiced this technique to delude the public into believing what they want them to believe, that all is well.
"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." Joseph Goebbel
What is reality do we know reality any more or do we now only know the governments reality. Is our reality changed by government.


1. Governments do not, and cannot, change reality through messages.

Pro has proposed that reality is being altered by governments repeating the same messages over and over again. This statement is impossible because reality cannot be changed by words alone. The word "reality" in the Oxford Dictionary is "the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them," or "a thing that is actually experienced or seen." [1] Therefore, if the government were to deceive the public by "repeating messages," they would be altering the public's perception of reality, not reality itself.

2. Governments do not control the media.

Pro also claims that the government has managed to gain control of the media, but fails to provide any information supporting the claim, or even which government(s) they say have gained control of the media. Pro provides three quotes by Joseph Goebbels, who was the minister for public enlightenment and propaganda for the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler [2], but they don"t contribute any evidence to the claim that governments change reality; therefore the quotes are irrelevant.

Debate Round No. 1


Reply by Lookingattheissues on 2-22-2015
Con replied...Pro has proposed that reality is being altered by governments repeating the same messages over and over again...." Which political party has its president in Office," democrat Obama," which political party had control of the House and the Senate for a large period of the democrat presidents term in office, " the democrat party" Which party is disproportionately represented in Hollywood, "the democrat party."
White House Reporters
In 1995, Kenneth Walsh, a reporter for U.S. News & World Report, polled 28 of his fellow White House correspondents from the four TV networks, the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, USA Today, Washington Post, Copley, Cox, Hearst, Knight-Ridder, plus Newsweek, Time and U.S. News & World Report, about their presidential voting patterns for his 1996 book Feeding the Beast: The White House versus the Press. Walsh found that his colleagues strongly preferred Democrats, with the White House press corps admitting a total of 50 votes for Democratic candidates compared to just seven for Republicans.
"UCLA political science professor ...Tim Groseclose.... (Book,)..... in "Left Turn ,"claims that "all" mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream... "
Who shapes peoples reality.. " He adds: "That bias makes us more liberal, which makes us less able to detect the bias, which allows the media to get away with more bias, which makes us even more liberal."
Some key points:
"Every mainstream national news outlet in the United States has a liberal bias."
"Media bias aids Democratic candidates by about 8 to 10 percentage points in a typical election. I find, for instance, that if media bias didn't exist, John McCain would have defeated Barack Obama 56 percent to 42 percent, instead of losing 53-46."
Perhaps the most useful part of his book is the slant ratings of the media. The numbers are based on a conservative-to-liberal 0-100 rating, with 50 being centrist:
New York Times-73.7. CBS Evening News-73.7. NPR Morning Edition-66.3. U.S. News & World Report-65.8. Drudge Report-60.4. ABC Good Morning America-56.1. Washington Times-35.4.
Quotes from UCLA political science professor ...Tim Groseclose.... (Book,)..... "Left Turn, How Liberal bias distorts The American Mind"
What is reality, for instance, There is the story about the blind men each describing an elephant.
"....They decided, "Even though we would not be able to see it, let us go and feel it anyway." All of them went where the elephant was. Everyone of them touched the elephant.
Each blind man described their reality," Hey, the elephant is a pillar," said the first man who touched his leg.
"Oh, no! it is like a rope," said the second man who touched the tail.
"Oh, no! it is like a thick branch of a tree," said the third man who touched the trunk of the elephant.
"It is like a big hand fan" said the fourth man who touched the ear of the elephant.
"It is like a huge wall," said the fifth man who touched the belly of the elephant.
"It is like a solid pipe," Said the sixth man who touched the tusk of the elephant. Each man had their conception of reality.
Was the reality of Ambassador Chris Stevens the reality that Hillary Clinton and the State Department in Washington, held of Benghazi


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Debate Round No. 2


Argument: "Has our Reality changed by governments repetitiously repeating its message..."
One of the objectives of government is to change people's conception of reality by repeating their message and to gain approval of their message/objectives that it is attempting to carry out. The methods that the government utilize to gain people's acceptance of their objectives is by having people who are recognized as legitimate authorities ,the intelligentsia , teachers, professors and organizations like the media,, Hollywood, and politicians to repeat the governments message over and over again to the public. "Those perceived as experts may exert social influence as a result of their perceived expertise. This involves credibility, a tool of social influence from which one draws upon the notion of trust. People believe an individual to be credible for a variety of reasons, such as perceived experience, attractiveness, knowledge, etc."
Obedience is a form of social influence that derives from an authority figure. "The Milgram Experiment, Zimbardo"s Stanford prison experiment, and the Hofling hospital experiment are three particularly well-known experiments on obedience, and they all conclude that humans behave surprisingly obedient in the presence of perceived legitimate authority figures."
Government can and does change people's concept of reality..."Reality changed by governments repetitiously repeating its message....


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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Lookingatissues 2 years ago
Robert H. Bork wrote this in a book, titled "Slouching towards Gomorrah," about (Reality,) he wrote ".... Hence, there have appeared philosophies claiming that words can carry no definite meaning or that there is no (Reality) other than one that is socially constructed." A (Reality) so constructed, it is thought, can be decisively altered by social or cultural edict, which is a prescription for coercion." Isn't this what the government elite does, alter (Reality) to fit their purpose.
Posted by NoMagic 2 years ago
Have I missed something? Which/were is the state media? Is Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News part of this government take over of the media? What messages? Do you, Pro, hear these messages? Are they in your head? Repetitious messaging is a thing. I might suggest that Rush, Glenn and Fox News always messaging that Bengazhi is an issue might lead some to believe some injustice has happened when none did. Is that what you are referring to?
Posted by Lookingatissues 2 years ago
Asked by Toxifrost " what message and where are your citations for these quotes..."
The message by Obama, about "Shovel-ready jobs,.. Obama jokes about 'shovel-ready projects'"Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected," Obama "
Politics ..."Embassies under attack over anti-Islam video..."

ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:
At a rally in Holmdel, New Jersey, today, President Obama continued making a promise about health care reform that he has acknowledged isn"t literally true.
"Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you," the president told residents of the Garden State. "First of all, if you"ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you." What is reality or do we now believe the governments reality.
Posted by Toxifrost 2 years ago
what message and where are your citations for these quotes?
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