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sllewuy
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vivalayeo
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Hatake Kakashi should be the 5th Hokage and not Tsunade

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Started: 8/17/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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sllewuy

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Kakashi should have been selected to become the 5th hokage instead of looking for Tsunade to take over the position. Kakashi is a more capable shinobi then Tsunade.
vivalayeo

Con

Thank you to my opponent for creating this debate. I am going to argue that Tsunade, not Kakashi should (and was) the best candidate for Hokage. If my opponent agree's we will use Third databook for our statistic's. I will allow my opponent to make his opening statement's, since really the burden of proof lies with him. If there is any particular format my opponent wishes to use, I will more than gladly accept the term's, providing they do not disturb the equilibrium of the debate. Good luck, and all the best.
Debate Round No. 1
sllewuy

Pro

Tsunade is a very skilled medical ninja but that should not have been enough to make her the Hokage. Aside from her medical abilities and strength she was not better candidate to become the 5th hokage than Hatake Kakashi.

Kakashi has been able to use Lightning, Fire, Water, and even Earth element techniques. Kakashi is widely known for being "the man who has copied over a thousand jutsu," with his sharingan. Tsunade has not shown that she can use any element. Kakashi is a rational thinker, a excellent strategist, a excellent tracker ninja, he has compiled years of leadership experience as a squad leader, a ANBU back ops member, and fighting in the war.

Why Tsunade was not qualified to become the 5th hokage. When the 3rd Hokage died, Tsunade had already left and turned her back on the village. When Jiraiya and Naruto found Tsunade she had already developed a fear of blood and her battle capabilities were weak as she was seen losing to Kabuto in a fight. Tsunade is not a good decision maker, when she was found, she was running away from debt collectors, she has a gambling problem as well as a mild drinking problem. Tsunade has made a lot of questionable decision making for example she sent 3 Genin and a newly appointed chunin to go after Sasuke who was kidnapped by the hidden sound. The kidnappers were shown to have beaten a squad of Jonin before the Genin got to them. To send a group on inexperienced ninja with very little intel on the opposing opponent is almost like a suicide mission the end result was 2 of the genin (Neji and Choji) were put into extreme life threatening condition, not to mention they failed the mission in the process. Tsunade takes too many risks which would make sense with her gambler mentality and with an entire village resting on her shoulders, she should not be taking risks so easily.

Kakashi has a naturally calm attitude and will think about the various options before rushing into a situation.

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vivalayeo

Con

While some of the thing's you stated are true, Tsunade's personality, after she accepted the position of Hokage is exactly what the leaf needed. The village hidden in the leaf, needed a strong leader to get them through a massive attack led by the Sand and Orochimaru. Tsunade's backbone, made sure that they recovered and became a functioning Ninja village once again. I will break my argument into a couple of section's:
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Tsunade's Personality: Tsunade, as Hokage has been shown to show deep insight into matter's, and she believe's that everyone she send's out can achieve the mission. You mentioned that it was rash to send all those Genin after Sasuke when he deserted, but it was the best the Leaf had to offer, considering the rest of the higher level ninja were already being used. Even if there had been a free Jonin, it would have been a waste, and their abilities could have been put to better use, not tracking down a simple Genin. Tsunade was actually against going after Sasuke if you remember, but because she knew Naruto and Sakura would not obey her, she sucked up her pride and sent a hoard of Genin protect them, and make sure they had a chance of succeeding.

Tsunade, also has a fiery temper, which let's her assert herself as leader. As seen when she berated the Eldr's for advising her to keep Naruto out of reach, and also when she showed undying faith in Naruto's abilities, even in the face of an opponent like Pain.

Let's also not forget that Tsunade is related to both the First and Second Hokage, giving her experience and the right to lead.

Tsunade's abilities are, without a doubt, the top of her field. She is the greatest medical-ninja to have ever lived,, which has been remarked on by many fine shinobi, such as Chiyo from the village hidden in the sand. Even Orochimaru admit's that her talent in healing is unbeatable, as he claimed she had the ability to counteract some unbelievably powerful jutsu. She healed Rock Lee, when he was told he would never be able to fight again, she healed Naruto's arm after the fight with Kakuzu and she is even to be said to have the ability to reverse the effects of the dead demon summoning jutsu. She even healed Kakashi psychologically after him being destroyed by Tsukiyomi. She even saved Choji, after he ate all three pill's to unlock his Kekkei-genkai. She also possesses amazing healing abilities through her summoning, showing it clearly when she exhausted herself after healing a large majority of Konoha ninja who were injured in Pain's attack.

Kakashi is a superb squad leader no doubt, but his talent's life in the field, not behind a desk. Something that Tsunade can do very well.
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**Sorry**

Sorry for the late response, but I accepted this debate when I was drunk and I didn't take into consideration that I would have very limited time to construct a response. Forgive me but the last few days have been hectic, as I preparing to go home, after being in the State's for two month's. I fly back to Ireland tomorrow, and then I'll be out and about on Sunday, and exhausted on Monday. So my next reply is going to be monday evening at the earliest.

I look forward to your rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 2
sllewuy

Pro

You mention that was the best the leaf had to offer? No it was not. Tsunade could have easily pulled some chunin or even a jonin who were doing reconstruction missions to take on the mission instead. She could have even sent her own personal ANBU black ops to retrieve Sasuke since it was an A-rank mission. The protection of one of the leaf's greatest Kekkei Genkai's should have took high priority over anything else. She was the Hokage she could have made it happen. Those missions were not that important, you could see that Kakashi easily blew off one of the missions like it was nothing to see if the Genin's mission was doing okay.

Just because Tsunade is related to the First and Second hokage does not mean she was qualified for the job. When was the last time she was even performed a mission when they found her? Asuma Sarutobi was the son of the 3rd Hokage is he a automatic candidate as well?

Tsunade is a top medical ninja but her fighting ability is not very high. Her temper clouds her ability to think rationally. Remember when Pein invaded the village and after he used "Almighty Push" and obliterated most of the village? Tsunade in her beat up condition almost threw her life away to fight Pein when in her condition drained of all chakra she could have easily just died there for no reason, and left the village without a Hokage again just because she couldn't think clearly. Tsunade's gambler mentality and short temper is not a good leadership quality.

Kakashi has great leadership and fighting ability that is better suited for the position of Hokage. As I have said before Tsunade has only shown one offensive ability which is her super strengh, even her best summoning is no good in battle. The Hokage's before her were all gifted offensively, Kakashi better fits the mold that the previous Hokage's created a shinobi with impeccable offensive ninjutsu capabilities.
vivalayeo

Con

vivalayeo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
sllewuy

Pro

Very unfortunate that my opponent forfeited
vivalayeo

Con

vivalayeo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by brokenboy 5 years ago
brokenboy
@sinewy in your second to last paragraph you said that tsunami gave her log away for nothing and blah blah blah so do u think that Minato was also an unfit leader? Because he through life away as well and left the village without a hokage same thing with sarutobi he also through his life away
Posted by sllewuy 6 years ago
sllewuy
ok sure
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 6 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
I think it would make the most sense to argue about the time of the Search arc. Can we go by the first databook for stats (third for Tsunade, since she didn't train between the Search arc and Shippuden and that's the only available stat data for her)?
Posted by sllewuy 6 years ago
sllewuy
which one u want to argue for?
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 6 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
Would this debate be made operating off of their experience and abilities at the time of the Search for Tsunade arc or as they are now?
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