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Heavy metal music is the best genre next to classical music

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/6/2014 Category: Music
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Truth_seeker

Pro

I will define the term "best"

Best: the most original, complex, diverse, and tuneful music

Both of us can use songs to illustrate examples supporting our point of views

First round acceptance
Elder

Con

Acceptance, however I do disagree with the definition of best as all the world used to describe them are more or less relative and having a more measurable definition is the only way to make this a feasible debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Truth_seeker

Pro

Heavy metal has no rules, so the artist can be as creative as they want or as simple as they want. With rap, if your too complex, it doesn't sound as good. Same applies to pop, techno, etc.

In heavy metal, there are different forms of vocals: death-metal, black-metal, screamo, grindcore, false, fry, etc. and various sub-genres: death-metal, death-core, metal-core, hard-core, thrash, black-metal, grindcore, list goes on with their own distinctive sound. You can also mix in sub-genres together. It also covers a variety of topics (philosophy, death, crime, politics, torture, etc.) that is often ignored by the masses.

An example is Suicide Silence
https://www.youtube.com...

The lead-singer mixes in black-metal vocals when his voice is high-pitched with death-metal vocals in his low range. He fuses metal-core, death-core,grind-core,math-core, etc. in his music (1).

It takes a lot of dedication to be a vocalist, be a drummer, guitarist, etc. which isn't found in many genres of music.

Sources:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Elder

Con

Heavy metal actually does have rules,them being consisting one at least one of these:
Loud distorted guitars, emphatic rhythms, dense bass-and-drum sound, and vigorous vocals
If it does not consist of at least one of these it may not fall into the category of Heavy metal.This serves as a major limiting factor to the types of songs one can produce.

The different forms is not unique to Heavy Metal only,almost all genres of music has just as many For example:-
Pop:Baroque pop , Bubblegum pop , Christian pop ,Dance-pop, Europop, Operatic pop, Power pop, Soundtrack, Sophisti-pop , Synth Pop , Space age pop, Sunshine pop ,Traditional pop, Teen pop, Electropop,etc.

Country:Bakersfield sound - Close harmony - Honky tonk - Jug band - Lubbock sound - Nashville sound - Neotraditional country - Outlaw country - Red Dirt - Western swing - Texas country/Tejano

Just to name a few genres with just as many sub-genres.Furthermore Fusion genres is a very common thing and most genres have them, and is not a trait exclusive to heavy-metal.While yes it does cover a lot of topics that are ignored by the masses it is not the only genre which does this Rap also covering such topics as extensively as Heavy Metal.Furthermore it also covers very blasphemous topics which most other genres do not cover and hence many people find this very offensive especially to many god believing people (which is basically most of the world). In many of it songs it encourages violence,anger,rebellion, juvenile morbidity and many other negative characteristics.Very few metal songs are about anything remotely positive and the majority of this genre revolves around negativity.

Another song which talks about weed(Like your example) and also much more popular:-
https://www.youtube.com...

Again the phenomenon of mixing vocals is not unique to heavy-metal and actually encompasses a lot of genres. A lot of the time the lead vocalist is often incomprehensible because he/she shouts so loud.

It takes a lot of dedication to be a drummer,guitarist or vocalist in most genres actually.Simply because they play louder does not mean it requires more dedication,in fact the subtler genres often require MORE dedication.
Here is an example of some vocals which require a lot of dedication and skill:
https://www.youtube.com...

Sources:
1.http://en.wikipedia.org...
2.http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Truth_seeker

Pro

"Heavy metal actually does have rules,them being consisting one at least one of these:
Loud distorted guitars, emphatic rhythms, dense bass-and-drum sound, and vigorous vocals
If it does not consist of at least one of these it may not fall into the category of Heavy metal.This serves as a major limiting factor to the types of songs one can produce."

While yes those are key to the music, those aren't the only things that define heavy metal.

" In many of it songs it encourages violence,anger,rebellion, juvenile morbidity and many other negative characteristics.Very few metal songs are about anything remotely positive and the majority of this genre revolves around negativity."

Just because they talk about it, doesn't mean they promote it.

" A lot of the time the lead vocalist is often incomprehensible because he/she shouts so loud."

Vocalists don't technically yell, they use breathing techniques to give the illusion that they are, but their lyrics are comprehensible if you develop an ear for it.

"It takes a lot of dedication to be a drummer,guitarist or vocalist in most genres actually.Simply because they play louder does not mean it requires more dedication,"

They don't just play louder, it requires alot of skill to develop that kind of art. The fact that you need to incorporate singing into your screaming proves that metal vocals take skill (1). Even more skill is required on your vocal ranges from low-pitched to high-pitched screams, guttural, death-growls, grunts, etc. It also takes skill to blast beat in metal (2). Although metal uses dissonant riffs, you still need skill to play it (3).

Sources:

1. http://www.wikihow.com...

2. http://www.wikihow.com...

3. http://www.wikihow.com...
Elder

Con

"While yes those are key to the music, those aren't the only things that define heavy metal."
Of course,I cannot possibly list ALL the features of metal however I've made my point clear that there are points whether that be many or otherwise which limit the creativity of the artists and what type of songs they produce.If they did not have the key features they would fall into another genre of music.

"Just because they talk about it, doesn't mean they promote it."
I did not say they promote it,rather they encourage it.Simply because they talk about such controversial topics they influence us with their lyrics, this has been scientifically proven.

http://www.positivemusicassociation.com...
http://www.nbcnews.com...
http://musicpsychology.co.uk...

Vocalists don't technically yell, they use breathing techniques to give the illusion that they are, but their lyrics are comprehensible if you develop an ear for it.

The fact that you have to develop an ear to understand them proves they are for a niche audience,other genres do not require you to develop an ear to understand them.Therefore Heavy Metal cannot be the next best genre.

"They don't just play louder, it requires alot of skill to develop that kind of art. The fact that you need to incorporate singing into your screaming proves that metal vocals take skill (1). Even more skill is required on your vocal ranges from low-pitched to high-pitched screams, guttural, death-growls, grunts, etc. It also takes skill to blast beat in metal (2). Although metal uses dissonant riffs, you still need skill to play it (3)."

While it may not be easy to make Heavy Metal music,this does not mean that heavy metal vocalism is the hardest,here are some examples where the vocals takes much more effort than Heavy Metal.

https://www.youtube.com...
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https://www.youtube.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

Regardless a genre having hard to do vocals does not make it the next "best" genre.Classical music almost always has no vocals however is considered the best.

Heavy Metal is also not the most complex genre,not even close actually,EDM is far more complex
https://www.youtube.com...
This artist produces songs that have incredible complexity, sound distortions, synthetic sound effects, maximum distorted voices and recordings and off to on beat changes.

Metal is not the most original genre,if you look at the list of academy awards for most original song,metal is one of the least awarded genres of the category(1).This is not exclusive for the academy awards.The same applies to the golden globe for best original song.(2)

Finally while Metal may be a diverse genre,again this is not an exclusive trait and being diverse does not make a genre better than another.

1.http://en.wikipedia.org...
2.http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 3
Truth_seeker

Pro

"I did not say they promote it,rather they encourage it.Simply because they talk about such controversial topics they influence us with their lyrics, this has been scientifically proven."

Of course lyrics can influence you, but that's not the point of the debate. It's whether or not heavy metal is the best genre (regardless of whether they make "safe" lyrics or not).

The fact that you have to develop an ear for it implies that you must be an active listener rather than passive which takes skill.

"While it may not be easy to make Heavy Metal music,this does not mean that heavy metal vocalism is the hardest,here are some examples where the vocals takes much more effort than Heavy Metal."

While you gave links to these genres, you didn't explain why they are much more difficult than heavy metal.

"This artist produces songs that have incredible complexity, sound distortions, synthetic sound effects, maximum distorted voices and recordings and off to on beat changes."

While yes that is true, i believe Metal is more complex as it mixes in vocals along with the guitar riffs.

Example: "Meshuggah" "do not look down"

https://www.youtube.com...
Elder

Con

Elder forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
Korn
Posted by Dognip 3 years ago
Dognip
Give me a band
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
lol it kinda is, but help me think of some ideas ahaha
Posted by schachdame 3 years ago
schachdame
Metal. Not only heavy metal?

I am personally a classic and power metal type, which might be a bit Wagner, but at least I am generally on Pro's ship.
Doesn't mean I don't think that the debate isn't a bit poorly phrased.
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
lol come on man
Posted by lannan13 3 years ago
lannan13
LOL, now someone could argue that Heavy Metal is better than classical music and still be negating the resolution.
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
lol good point
Posted by lannan13 3 years ago
lannan13
The phrase, "one of" makes this debate impossible for the opponent.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 3 years ago
bladerunner060
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Reasons for voting decision: A debate like this is largely subjective. However, at the very least, I can award conduct for Con's forfeit. As to the other points, I'm not entirely sure that either side really fulfilled their obligations, so I'm sticking with the one clear-cut point. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.