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Bnor2008
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GiantSpoonMan
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Hijab in school

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GiantSpoonMan
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/16/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Bnor2008

Pro

My opponent must state Why they're against hijab in school. I mean it's religion , there's even "freedom of religion" i think the only person america and more country's are making happy are themselves. so many kid's , families get affected by this nonsense democracy.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

I accept your challenge.

Separation of church and state. Yes you have the freedom to practice whatever religion you want but not in public school which is funded by the government. This is a part of the constitution and cannot simply be bypassed.
Debate Round No. 1
Bnor2008

Pro

Why? why isn't it okay .
i mean who is it affecting wearing a head scarf to cover their head, actually wearing Hijab is at their risk.
I used to wear it to middle school and got beaten up 4 times. it's not affecting them its affecting us, Especially since the whole 9/11 tragedy . EVERY Muslim is a terrorist , bad , and deserves to die? . No, that's not fair to us at all , it's like saying You're christian so you can't wear a cross, i mean i know people who have brought bible's to school and sat there reading it . even teacher's talked about Christianity when she wasn't supposed to but us wearing Hijab and sitting there like any other normal person is bad? No. that's not fair , it's hypocritical . If it's seperation from church and state , then NO christian should wear crosses , bibles shouldn't be brought to school in fact it's like saying Forget you're religion and go to hell because of a stupid law. something doesn't seem right.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

First I would like to say that I personally have nothing against Muslims. I believe they have every right to express their religion outside of school.

Now getting right into it. Students are not allowed to wear anything on their heads in school buildings. This is on a national level, not to be decided by schools. Allowing Muslims to wear the hijab in school is going against this rule. Due to separation of church and state we cannot allow the hijab in school just because it is a religious item.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

I also agree that Christians should not be allowed to wear crosses in school or bring bibles to school for religious practice, however, that's not the topic at hand.
Debate Round No. 2
Bnor2008

Pro

There is nothing wrong with changing rules.
i think that should be a big change, and yes its not the topic at hand Yet it never was brought up .
no one thought "Oh they can wear crosses" because hijab is not the deal , Its the fact that people are against muslims.
Yes , Law is Law. but there is too many people affected by this decision . im american , but muslim. originated from morocco actually, and i wear hijab ever since 6 . it affected me mostly in school. actually they even shut down school for a week because of this tragedy . i think if everyone was ok with hijab , problems wouldn't be made.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

My opponent states, "There is nothing wrong with changing rules." This is true except when you are trying to change a state/national law based on religion. In the U.S constitution it clearly states that there must be a separation between church and state.

There are also other options if students truly feel a need to wear the hijab. There are private schools, online schools, or even home school all available to students if public school does not work.

"I used to wear it to middle school and got beaten up 4 times." I do not understand what point my opponent is trying to make here. How would letting students wear the hijab in school change this? This point is irrelevant with the topic at hand.

"If it's seperation from church and state , then NO christian should wear crosses , bibles shouldn't be brought to school in fact it's like saying Forget you're religion and go to hell because of a stupid law. something doesn't seem right." There is no law in place saying students cannot express there religion. There are infact laws preventing students from wearing anything which covers their heads, hats, hoods etc. If students feel this strongly about wearing the hijab they should simply not attend public school where this is not allowed.

"it affected me mostly in school. actually they even shut down school for a week because of this tragedy . i think if everyone was ok with hijab , problems wouldn't be made." Even if the hijab became allowed in school students would still bully other students that stand out. How would allowing students to wear the hijab change the way other students view them?
Debate Round No. 3
Bnor2008

Pro

Bnor2008 forfeited this round.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

Extend all arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
Bnor2008

Pro

Bnor2008 forfeited this round.
GiantSpoonMan

Con

Pro forfeit, Vote con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
dont get beaten up.
live in islamic country.
why go USA for money.
indeed for money.
if some one dont accept u in ur society dont go into their socity.
man when they come in our society they do cover there selves.
they dont its gonna be wrong.
but we never mind even they dont wear they apply their mind set on us/
they think we are gonna attack on them.
lol
but its not truth.
we are more tolerant.
coz we dont eat pigs.
we eat goats.
lol
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
a girl from moroco.
there is no need to wear jijab for u sister.
u only wear hijab for problems to ur self and others'
in islam only head cover is not enough u wear tight dresses or other things like other normal non muslims.
only hide hairs its kind of funny.
islamic dress is not symbol it has purpose to get out lust from appositive sex if he has no relationship with u means not ur husband.
so there is no need to create lust into the mind of other guys who will may suffer coz of that next few hours.
its kind of mental torture/
but it seems from ur debate.
that u are not asking for hijab which means u wear uniform as it is the school allowed, so its strange to cover only hairs lol.
i never saw hairs causing problem in the head of guys.
its tight pants on hips place and tight top at breast place.
and and waist also.
well.
still i dont know.
but i have seem middle eastern wearing that kind of so called islamic dress which is not islamic there own made.
which is weird for me lol.
lol
lol
lol
wake up/
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Vote Placed by Chrysippus 3 years ago
Chrysippus
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