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Hilary Clinton vs Donald Trump

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/21/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Ariesx

Pro

Round 1-Acceptance, Round 2-Cases, Round 3-Rebuttals, Round 4-Strictly Defense(no new arguments added)
I will be representing Hilary Clinton's views, and stating reasons why she would be a better president than Donald Trump. Please note that this is a debate of the two lesser evils. I am a libertarian, but I cannot see myself trusting the future of American diplomacy, military, and foreign policy in the hands of Donald Trump.
someloser

Con

I accept, and look forward to a good debate!
Debate Round No. 1
Ariesx

Pro

Donald Trump has motivated racism, impulsivness, and an overwhelming stupididity in his voters. His views are not thouroghly explained, and are very idealistic. Donald Trump is the embodiment of the grassroots anti-establishment Republican. He views himself as one of the most intelligent men alive, and has motivated his religious disciples to believe he is the most intelligent man in the world. In this debate, I will be argueing that Donald Trump is idealistic, naive on policy, and has oversimplified many issues.


C1-Donald Trump's political views and statements

-Ban all Muslims from entering the US First, I will start with the main problems with this.

  1. Global community knows that America supports racism and pregiduce against other people
  2. Muslims in America will feel alienated resulting in ISIS propaganda becoming more persuasive
  3. It is is also extremely unconstitutional

Evidence for the global community disliking Trump was shown in the UK. People there created a petition to ban Donald Trump from entering the US. This should be taken into account, because the petition got over 370,000 signatures in the UK, and was actaully debated in Parliament.

Muslims will feel alienated in Donald Trump's administration. Evidence usually shows that when Muslims feel left out and discriminated; radical idealogies will become more persuasive. This does not have to do with their religion, and can be applied to any group of people with any religion.

Many law professors deem it as unamerican as it is unconsitutional to pursue such a ban. The Federal Government cannot ban any religious group from entering the US. They are free to move to America. The Founding Fathers also specifically state the government has secular. There should be no religous persecution here. Banning Islam will cause the government to promote their own religion.

-Donald Trump claims that we have to play ISIS's game

Trump basically declared that the federal government should torture people. In other words, he wants to violate international law. I will outline the problems with this stance.

  1. Torture is immoral, and only proves that we are more like our enemies
  2. Torture seperates the western world from the authoritarian regimes. It shows that we are more humane and civil.
  3. Torture violates international law.
  4. Torture does not work on religious nuts.

Torture is immoral, and I do not see why I should explain myself. We all know that torture is inhumane, and only practiced by the tyrannical.

The western world is supposed to be better when it comes to governing human beings. We all want equality under the law. Authoritarian regimes do not care about lives, and are there to keep there own power. The western world is supposed to be enlightnened.

The US constitution specifically states in the 8th amendment not to resort to cruel punishment. In 1984, Convention against Torture law was put into place. Donald Trump will not only violate the 8th amendment, but will also violate international law.

-Kick out illegal immigrants

People do not realize how significant of an impact do illegal immigrants make on the US economy. Amnesty would be ideal in fixing the situation. Not only did Donald Trump stereotype illegal immigrants by calling them rapists, drug dealers, and immoral people, but he also has created a bad name for himself in Latin America. Here are the reasons why Donald Trump came up with another pathetic idea.

  1. Illegal immigrants make a significant impact on the US economy.
  2. Donald Trump has created a bad name for himself in Latin America which will motivate tensions in America's relations with Latin America.
  3. Donald Trump generalizes people which already creates a bad president.

Illegal immigrants contribute 11 billion dollars to the economy each year. They actually pay higher taxes than the top 1%. There is no evidence that they are drug dealers and rapists. They account for 8% of the gross domestic product.

The Mexican Government has already stated that they are not paying for they are not paying for the wall that Trump wants. The Mexican people are beginning to feel worried. Researchers asked Mexicans what they thought of Donald Trump. One must have an IQ above 95 in order to guess that usually the response is always negative. Trump has created a negative view for himself in that world which will quickly become a negative view of America if he is elected president.

Donald Trump generalizes people. Illegal immigrants make up 5% of the worker population. There is no evidence pointing to all of them being drug dealers. This proes that his decision making skills are not only impulsive, but dumb.


C2-Donald Trump's supporters

I will not do what Donald Trump is amazing at, and generalize his supporters. But, I will give arguments stating how his supporters at his rallies are usually violent and racist.

-Ku Klux Klan supports Donald Trump

The KKK supports Donald Trump which is already a negative indicator that shows that Trump is motivating racists. KKK leader David Duke already endorced Donald Trump. He claimed that he hoped Trump will do everything he hopes he will do. The frightining part about this is that Donald Trump has not condemned this. He has not said anything against the KKK. He acts like he has never heard of this before. This only motivates racism in America.

-Rallies become more and more violent

It is already a problemt that his rallies are becoming more and more violent. Here are the unique reasons why it is a problem when Trump is involved.

  1. Unintended consequences happen such as people getting injured and beaten.
  2. Violence in rallies motivates violence outside his rallies.
  3. Trump does not condemn any of this.

There are already several frightning cases where Trump's supporters have been violent. There were black people protesting in one of his rallies. They were booed obviously by his supporters, but than things started becoming physical. A Trump supporter started beating up a women. This is unacceptable.

There are two alarming cases where a Trump supporter beat up someone of a different skin color. The first case is where a Trump supporter beat up a hispanic man. The Trump supporter was yelling Trum while commiting this crime. There are so many videos on the internet of a Trump supporter beating up a Muslim student. This is simply embarrising for a candidate to have supporters who beat up people of different races.

Trump never condemns any of this. He even is proud of the fact that his supporters commit such acts. He even said he will send supporters at Sander's rallies to disrupt them.

I believe I have provided reasons why Trump should not become president. In conclusion:

  • Trump has idealistic policies that have so many flaws.
  • He will violate international law as well as the constution.
  • He generalizes people.
  • Racists love him.
  • He promotes violent behavior.

Sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

http://www.cfr.org...

http://www.thenation.com...

http://www.pewresearch.org...

http://www.nydailynews.com...

http://thevillagessuntimes.com...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

http://www.viduba.com...



someloser

Con

For Trump:

1: Non-interventionist

Donald Trump has a long track recod of opposing a criticizing the failed foreign policy of interventionism. In 2007, Trump condemned[1] the disastrous invasion of Iraq, which would later go down in history as a complete disaster:

"And yet, 400,000 people, the way I count it, and probably millions have been badly maimed and injured. What's going on? What's going on?"

"And the day we pull out, it is going to explode. We're keeping the lid on a little bit -- it is still a catastrophe. But the day we pull out -- because they are in a civil war, whether we want to admit it or not, they are in a civil war."

He later stood up to George W. Bush's foreign policy legacy in his performance at the South Carolina debate [2]. Even amidst booing, Trump stood firm on his views.

At his American Israeli Public Affairs Comittee Speech [3], Trump said:

"I do think it’s a different world today, and I don’t think we should be nation-building anymore"

"I think it’s proven not to work, and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country."

While some may be concerned over Trump's diplomatic prospects, it must be noted that he has done more for US-Russia relationships as a candidate than Barack Obama did after 8 years of presidency [4] .


2: Nativist and nationalist

Trump has made the interests of American citizens the forefront of his campaign since day one. Trump's refusal to reward illegal immigration, proposals to build more American jobs, and promise to restore America's past greatness have been the main driving force behind his campaign's runaway success [5]. Trump has vowed to overturn NAFTA[6], the free trade deal which had massive negative effects on the economic prospects of US citizens[7].


Trump stands firmly for the interests of American people, and they know this.


Against Clinton:

Millitary interventionism

Hillary Clinton has a long history of being a warhawk. Her oft-touted record as a politician supports this[9]. As Joseph Mulkerin at Truthout writes[8]:

"Hillary Clinton was reportedly one of the most hawkish members of President Obama's cabinet, pushing for the 2009 troop surge in Afghanistan and US intervention in Libya. She has also been a vocal proponent of the same drone war that has led to the deaths of 2,400 civilians. In her recent memoir, Hard Choices, she bragged about having presided over the imposition of "crippling sanctions" on the Iranian economy during her tenure as secretary of state. These crippling sanctions are a form of collective punishment and have benefited the wealthy only, while making life miserable for everyone else."

There are many more problems with the prospects of a Clinton presidency. Since I ran into some unexpected time constraints whilst participating this debate, I will elaborate and highlight these in further rounds.

Conclusion

If one wishes to defend American national interests, and put an end to pointless warfare, support Donald Trump.

Sources:

[1]
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
[2] http://www.cnn.com...
[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com...
[4] http://www.cnn.com...
[5] http://www.ontheissues.org...
[6] http://time.com...
[7] http://www.epi.org...
[8] http://www.truth-out.org...
[9] http://swampland.time.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Ariesx

Pro

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someloser

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Ariesx

Pro

Ariesx forfeited this round.
someloser

Con

Pro has forfeit, unfortunately. Rounds go to Con.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by whiteflame 8 months ago
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>Reported vote: JackFritschy// Mod action: Removed<

3 points to Pro (Arguments). Reasons for voting decision: Pro provided explinations of why he thought donald trumps ideas were bad, while Con just talked about donald trumps positions while not defending them in any way. Saying he wants to create american jobs isn't a real argument. Also he just says NAFTA is a disaster while not explaining why and simply citing some alt-right website.

[*Reason for removal*] The voter insufficiently explains the decision. Given the title of the debate, some of the RFD must include how the discussion on Clinton panned out. The voter must do more than say that Pro did a good job knocking down Con's points.
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Posted by Sam7411 8 months ago
Sam7411
"Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman. I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she"s given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her." -Donald Trump

"[Hillary is the]worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States,"- Donald Trump
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 8 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro ff many times, so conduct to Con.