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TylerYoung
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HadenQuinlan
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Hillary Clinton is a better candidate than Barack Obama.

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Started: 4/25/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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TylerYoung

Pro

I want to ask you a question. Why aren't atheists and agnostics more upset about Barack Obama saying that we might want to rethink the separation of church and state during the CNN "Compassion Forum"? During that same forum Hillary Clinton had said that she believes matters such as abortion should be decided by the individual and not the government, which shows her long standing view that the separation of church and state is important. I feel that Hillary Clinton respects atheist and agnostic rights, while Barack Obama considers them a low priority.
HadenQuinlan

Con

By Hillary saying that she believes abortion is the people's choice, essentially she's isolating christians. On the separation of church and state issue, they appeal to different groups. That doesn't make one better than the other, it simply means one is different than the other.

I'm going to allow you to write an opening argument (past the statement you've just made) So - please show me how Hillary is a BETTER CANDIDATE than Barack Obama. Please provide some framework for better.

Thanks

~HQ
Debate Round No. 1
TylerYoung

Pro

She has experience in all three of the branches of the government. She has experience as a Senator (legislature), a lawyer (judiciary), and was the first lady of both Arkansas and The US where she held important roles (executive). Both the amount and diversity of her experience are very valuable.

When 9/11 happened George Bush didn't come to New York because there were debris in the air, and his people were worried that he might get sick. Obama didn't come out when that happened either, but Hillary did. She worked towards getting those people help, she used her political power to help those people that had friends and family dead, she used her political power to help those still fighting for their lives while those buildings went apart. That's the kind of person I want to be my president.

So I think she'll be a good president, and because she has so much experience in all three branches of the government I think she's the best person to help redistribute power among them ... and we'll need someone to do that after eight years of Bush pulling power away from the legislature and judiciary.

I also like that she'll have Bill Clinton there with her, because he's a smart guy and he makes a lot of great choices when it comes to economics. When he was president we had the economy grow, something that wasn't happening before he was president and something that hasn't happened since.

She also was an early supporter who created awareness for the Adoption and Safe Families Act which helped abused children be adopted instead of being allowed to stay in abusive environments with biological parents. Hillary also played a key role in helping negotiate between Democrats and Republicans on the issue when negotiations broke down.

She also held the most important role in the Foster Care Independence Act . She held youth conferences and talked about issues, and then went on lobbying congress to pass the legislation.

She was also the first student to give a commencement address at the Wellesley College due to the demand of students, she was only 21, she had a seven minute ovation.

She was one of only 27 women in a class of 235 at Yale Law School.

She created the Vital Voices Global Partnership with U.S. Secretary of the State Madeleine Albright through the Vital Voices Democracy Initiative. Vital Voices Global Partnership is a non-profit organization that advocates women become involved in the political process. They have helped women in many societies and countries where women are still treated badly, and have helped shape world equality. Hillary Clinton still holds an honorary chair, and has since helped fund the organization through the Clinton Foundation.

I should also mention that Hillary is more productive than Obama, already.

Clinton is the sole original sponsor of more bills in the senate than Obama. He has merely 129 against her 358.

She also a higher per year sponsorship rate.

He has merely 43 percent against her 51.1 percentage.

And she has had more bills signed into law. His 0.7 against her 2.7 percent.

Why does Barack Obama refuse to talk to the gay media? Throughout his campaign he has been ignoring the gay media, even in important states like Ohio. None of the twelve member newspapers of the National Gay Newspaper Guild had been granted an interview with Obama, even though all of them had asked. He has only recently talked to a few gay media sources, and even then has been reluctant. And you'll notice that he only started talking to gay news sources after he has been called out for not doing so by the Philadelphia Gay News in Pennsylvania. If you look at his willingness to talk to the gay media before Pennsylvania and after you'll see a stark contrast. Hillary Clinton has been talking to the gay media this whole time, answering their questions and talking openly about her beliefs for gay rights. She was also the first ever first lady to go to a gay pride parade, and helped stop the amending of the constitution from banning gay marriage as a senator. And while Hillary has been touring with Elton John on her campaign, Barack Obama has been touring on his campaign with Donnie McClurkin the anti-gay gospel singer who has called homosexuality a "curse." Another problem is that Obama only believes in civil unions for gays, but not gay marriage. He says that they are separate but equal, the same argument that racists used to keep black and white children separated in school.

And she has done far more as first lady than Michelle Obama could do in a lifetime (the adoption act, foster act, and vital voices already being three accomplishments I've mentioned Hillary has done as first lady.) I'd much rather have Bill as the first man, a spouse that actually contributes, which makes her even more valuable. Bill can talk to political leaders, negotiate with representatives and senators, endorse policy choices with actual credibility, and help Hillary reach her presidential goals in general.

When she was in elementary school, she wrote a letter to NASA (impressive for such a young girl) asking them how she could become an astronaut. They wrote her back and said that women weren't allowed into the program. And she has been proving that women are just as capable as men ever since.There are many more reasons that are just as important, but I feel that these few highlights give you a basic idea about what she stands for and why I'm supporting her.
HadenQuinlan

Con

HadenQuinlan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by shwayze 8 years ago
shwayze
unbelievably, Hillary Clinton is actually more electable than Barack Obama. I think that tells you alot more about Barack Obama than it does about Hillary Clinton.
Posted by HadenQuinlan 8 years ago
HadenQuinlan
NICE JOB PRO, YOU BEAT AN IMAGINARY OPPONENT!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
Posted by Johnicle 8 years ago
Johnicle
coming from a Hilary Clinton hater, there is an inherant problem with the topic of debate... she is a better candidate for what?... perhaps NOT being in charge of ANYTHING... then I could vote for you but I didn't read any of it so I didn't vote...
Posted by Shorack 8 years ago
Shorack
Nice work from Pro :)
But also too bad that Con didn't bring forth something in the final round.
Posted by Kleptin 8 years ago
Kleptin
Ouch, painful and unfortunate loss. This might have been nice.
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