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Hillary Clinton is a better choice for president of the United Staes than Donald Trump.

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Started: 10/31/2016 Category: Politics
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Verithenes

Pro

So I am arguing that Hillary Clinton is a better choice for president than Trump. Feel free to run a Kritik or anything else. I like to be challenged. Round 1 for Con will just be Con accepting and speaking their views on the topic. If Con accepts, than they will also need to tell why Trump is a better choice.
BlargArgNarg

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Verithenes

Pro

Cool, thank you for accepting.
Disclaimer: I did not mean to spell "states" wrong in my claim.
First is immigration
Our country is built on the idea of immigration, without immigration, we would not have a lot of our population if it weren't for immigration. Now I agree that some people do not need to be let into our country because they are just bad people but if Donald Trump had his way, we would have really strict regulations on who is allowed into our country. There would most likely be racial profiling as well because Donald Trump has said that all Mexicans are rapists and has been sued for discriminating against blacks. Hillary Clinton on the other hand is a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, does not want to racially profile and will not put strict regulations down to keep immigrants from coming into the US.

Second is Donald Trump's attitude towards minorities
Donald Trump is sexist, racist, xenophobic, and anti-gay. The things he said in the footage that was released about him in the locker room were proof for that. Now he constantly uses the excuses, "oh, but that was 10 years ago", or "oh, that was locker room talk". Well first let's talk about the 10 years ago excuse. It doesn't matter how long ago it was. It shows us what kind of person he is and he is the kind of person who likes to grope women and brag about it using vulgar language. Next let's talk about the locker room talk excuse. Well whoever goes into locker rooms and talks about the women they've groped has some problems. He also is against the Black Lives Matter movement saying that we need more "law and order" but in reality, we need to stop racially profiling. He is xenophobic because he has said horrible things about people from other countries such as Mexicans. He is against gay marriage and says this is because he is a more "traditional guy". Hillary is the exact opposite. She is not sexist, racist, xenophobic, or anti-gay and while she is not perfect, Donald Trump is all of these things and it's better to have someone who supports everyone than someone who only supports the straight white male.

Third is Taxes
Now Donald Trump wants to decrease taxes for the upper class and the big business owners because he says that if the rich make their businesses bigger, than the workers that get the jobs at these businesses will make more money, when in reality what he is doing is getting more money for his rich white friends. He will not release his tax returns and he has avoided paying his taxes for years. It has been proven that trickle down economics does not work and that is what he is suggesting. Hillary has given us several rational ways of creating jobs though. Some ways are that she will increase the production of nonrenewable resources and the building of roads and bridges. She also encourages scientific research. She will decrease taxes for the middle class because they are being crushed under taxes right now. Hillary Clinton's job growth will create 10.4 million jobs, whereas Donald Trumps plan will actually result in a lengthy recession and we will lose 3.4 million jobs, as stated by Moody's Analytics.

So as you can see, Hillary Clinton is not perfect but she is a much better choice than Donald Trump. Trump supporters like to say that Hillary should go to jail because of the email scandal and that she is a liar. Donald Trump has lied on the debates so many times. He never answers the questions directly and is always coming up with fake statistics and fake information. Everyone is still talking about the Clinton email scandal but Donald Trump has been sued several times. Hillary Clinton is a much better choice than Donald Trump because of these reasons I have presented. If you want job recession, racial profiling, and immigration to the US to be made much harder, than vote Con. But if you want the jobs in the US to grow by 10 million and foreign relations to get better, you should vote for Pro. Not to mention, Hillary is not racist, xenophobic, sexist, or anti-gay. Thank you.
BlargArgNarg

Con

Please provide the sources for all the information you listed.

Immigration: Our country is built on the idea of *legal* immigration, not people storming the borders and getting free benefits that our own people lack, benefits that illegal rapists get, but not the men who fought and were wounded for our country. We need strict regulations because we can't just let anyone walk into our country. Hillary supports Black Lives Matter, a terrorist group that beats up white people because they're not black. Black Lives Matter also destroys property and is a poor excuse for a movement, MLK wouldn't be proud.

Minorities: You say that 10 years doesn't matter, but 10 years ago, Hillary had a much different stance than the one she currently holds. Another point, Hillary has said many worse things about people. Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization and no person should ever support them, they beat up whites, destroy property, and are a general nuisance for all people. Donald is correct in stating that we need more law and order, people have begun to run rampant in the streets, and that limits productivity, which is what America needs. Gay marriage is an immoral and wrong thing, as the country has many references to God. He didn't say all Mexicans are rapists, but many of the ones spewing through the border are rapists.

Taxes: Donald proposed massive tax cuts that worked with Reagan, and Reagan was noted as being one of the best presidents of all time. Hillary's running mate wants to increase taxes on the middle class, which would certainly bring down America' s economy. Hillary wants to let in refugees and illegal immigrants, as well as open up jobs to other countries. This will result in millions of Americans losing their jobs because the countries want cheaper labor. Donald's plan is to keep jobs in America, which will stimulate the economy.

Sources:
http://www.nationalreview.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.infowars.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Verithenes

Pro

Okay, first sorry about my sources for the last argument, I forgot to upload them, here they are:
http://www.cnbc.com...
http://www.ontheissues.org...
http://www.businessinsider.com...
I'm really sorry about that.

Okay, here we go.
Immigration
So you say that we should not let people just come barging through and you're absolutely right. Hillary will not let people do that, she will still put restrictions on but not to the point where no one will be able to come in like Trump will. Trump has said that he will build a wall if elected and he will increase restrictions greatly. This is unconstitutional because our country is built on the idea of immigration. Also, on the rapist thing. See, Trump has no real evidence to say that a lot of the Mexicans coming into our country are rapists. He just says that to get people who are racist on his side. Also, you say that BLM (black lives matter, I'm just gonna abbreviate it) is a terrorist organization but has the BLM actually killed anyone? Well no, the only people who have killed are the policemen who killed the young black men who were only killed under suspicion and racial profiling. BLM does not say that other races don't matter too, instead it is saying that Black Lives also matter and this is because blacks have been racially profiled against by policemen. To say BLM is a terrorist organization is narrow minded and you must not know much about BLM. Learn more here: http://blacklivesmatter.com...

Minorities
So first, on the 10 years thing, I looked at your links and in your Hillary Clinton on taxes, and, according to the evidence in your article, she's advocated for taxes on guns since 1993. Clinton had the same views she has now 10 years ago, whereas Trump said some horrible things back in 2005 about what he did to women. Also, as it says in this article, two women have reported being touched by Trump, here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com... Also, again on BLM, it is no terrorist organization, you can look at the link I provided, they have not destroyed property. They do not beat up whites They have never killed anyone. The only murderers are the policemen who murdered the young black men. Also, everybody should marry, even if they are two men or two women. It doesn't matter. Also, you say that this country has many references to God but there's something called the separation of church and state which separates religion from politics. Here is an article on that: http://www.allabouthistory.org...
Also, give me some evidence why gay marriage is immoral or wrong. What bad thing does it cause? Does it hurt anyone? Does it hurt them? Ask yourself these questions and you'll find that the answer on every one of them is no.

Taxes
Okay, so first, you say that Hillary's running mate wants to increase taxes on the middle class but Hillary herself does not. As it says in one of the articles, she does not want to increase taxes on middle class because the middle class is already being crushed by taxes. In fact, it says that in one of your articles, she misspoke and said that she would raise taxes but it was confirmed that she misspoke and meant to say that she would not increase taxes. Right now, we are talking about Hillary, not Kaine. Trump wants to avoid paying taxes and wants less taxes on the upper class so he can do this but it has been proven that Trickle-down economics does not work. Trump's "plan", if you can call it that, has actually been predicted to lose jobs. Hillary will create more jobs than Trump and it has been predicted that she will create 10 million jobs, here is an article on it http://www.forbes.com...

Overall
So on your article that says that Hillary Clinton is dangerous. Everything in there is based on an interview from Fox news and , if you notice, Fox tends to be biased towards the Republican point of view. Here is an article talking about Fox news bias and the things that Fox news has done: http://officeofstrategicinfluence.com... Anyway, Trump is xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, and racist. Those are the very worst qualities you'd want in a president. His plans will not work. He says untrue things that people actually believe. They actually believe he can do it but a lot of the things he says he'll do are plain unconstitutional. Hillary is a much better choice than Trump, she supports all minorities and has better plans.

Thank you, sorry again about the links, I thought I had put them up but I hadn't.
BlargArgNarg

Con

Alright, thanks for the sources.

1) The National Border Patrol Council has endorsed Trump, which is the first time in history that they've endorsed a candidate. Trump has stated on numerous occasions that he will be letting people into the USA, but not just anyone, like Hillary would. It's not "unconstitutional", the USA was founded on the idea of "legal" immigration, not floods of people storming across the border. In the state of Texas alone, more than 1000 immigrants have been accused of child rapes. Black Lives Matter hasn't killed anyone, yes, but they've destroyed property, targeted white people for beat-downs, and overall been violent in the extreme. The definition of terrorism is as follows: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal. This is exactly what the Black Lives Matter movement is doing. In 2015, more whites were killed by police than blacks, but do you see white people running and screaming down streets screaming "White Lives Matter"?

2) Hillary made it clear that she intends to initiate massive tax hikes on middle-class families if she is elected. Once again, this will cripple the American economy, and frankly, Trump has more economic experience than Hillary does, due to him leading countless successful businesses.

3) How are you talking about Fox News being biased, when almost every other news company, especially CNN, has a clear bias to Hillary? Give me an example of Trump being xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, and racist. Hillary called black people "super predators". Her plans are by far worse, and will only lead to more division in the USA

http://www.ibtimes.com...
http://www.bpunion.org...
http://www.breitbart.com...
http://www.newstarget.com...
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
http://www.atr.org...
http://www.weeklystandard.com...
http://www.politifact.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Verithenes

Pro

Okay, so first on your definition of terrorism, the BLM movement is not using fear or violence to respond to the murders by policemen of the young black men but are responding to these murders by standing up to show that Black Lives Matter too. This is not terrorism. Also, you say that more white people are killed by policemen but if you look at it closely, you'll see that there are more white Americans than black Americans and if you look at how many of each have been killed, you'll see that yes, more whites have been killed, but that's because there are more whites in america than blacks. Here's an article from the Washington Post that explains it: https://www.washingtonpost.com... So your entire argument about more whites being killed than blacks is invalid.

Okay, so on taxes. In the article you gave about Hillary's tax plan, she said that she was going to raise taxes on the middles class but it also says in that same article that she misspoke and meant to say that the middle class would NOT be taxed. Hillary definitely does not want to raise taxes on the middle class. Trump on the other hand wants to lower taxes on the upper class and that is a really bad idea because the taxes on the upper class already aren't that high. He's literally just doing that so he and his rich white friends can get more money.

Okay, I actually gave a site that lists all the times that Fox has been biased and you say that the other news channels are biased in Hillary's favor but they're really not, they just go off of what Trump says. Here's a page that keeps track of all the sexist things that Trump has said: https://www.hillaryclinton.com... Here's another one with just a general list of all the things that he's said and done that make him completely unfit to be president: http://www.slate.com... So as you can plainly see, Donald Trump is completely unfit to be president and the only other good choice is Hillary because she has real plans to fix the problems of today.

Thank you, I enjoyed this debate.
BlargArgNarg

Con

Not using fear or violence? That's bullshite. BLM protesters block off highways, and use violence against whites for their own agenda, that's terrorism. More whites are being killed, and do you see them protesting and destroying stuff? No, my argument is not invalid, do you see white protesters storming through cities, looting, beating, and destroying for political reasons?.

I'm going to end this here due to a lack of time and the impending election. Thank you for this, and good job.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Verithenes 4 weeks ago
Verithenes
#feelthebern
Posted by BlargArgNarg 4 weeks ago
BlargArgNarg
MAGA boys!
Posted by ILikePie5 4 weeks ago
ILikePie5
Make America Great Again!!!
Posted by Verithenes 4 weeks ago
Verithenes
Also, I used another source with the same information other than Hillary Clinton's website because that is pretty biased. Also, your source for BLM is from Fox news and it never mentions an instance where they kill anyone so that is not terrorism.
Posted by Verithenes 4 weeks ago
Verithenes
Well, sadly, Trump won, so, we're kinda screwed
Posted by BlargArgNarg 1 month ago
BlargArgNarg
Source for last argument:
http://fox2now.com...
Posted by ILikePie5 1 month ago
ILikePie5
Typical Clinton supporter--can't do the research for themselves
Posted by BlargArgNarg 1 month ago
BlargArgNarg
@ILikePie5 I know right? Like that's a credible source...
Posted by ILikePie5 1 month ago
ILikePie5
I love how he cites HillaryClinton.com for Trump being "sexist."
Posted by ILikePie5 1 month ago
ILikePie5
It's cool bro. It's life. Don't value this over life.
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