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Hillary Clinton v Barack Hussein Obama Experience, versus the silly aspiration of hope...........

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Started: 1/9/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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natenashard

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Experience, tangible experience, versus the aspiration of hope. hope can hoping for change win the war against terror. how can it even come close. i think the hype is over and the dust has settled, we need a leader who has been tested, who had been at the forefront of america, that leader is hill
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First off, I would like to ask you a question. Did you intentionally put the Hussein in Obama's name just to make him seem like a Muslim and in a sense sway the response of readers? I was just wondering because you failed to put Hillary's middle name in as well.

Oh well, First off. Lets look at a few things. You can not go on Political experience alone. Hillary has been a United States Senator since 2000, and of course she served as the first lady for 8 years.

Obama, on the other hand, has served as an Illinois state Senator from 1997-2004, and U.S Senator from 2005-present.

You can not assume that a person will be a better Presidential candidate going on political experience alone. You have to look at a numerous amount of things such as voting record, personal goals, political ideas and plans.

Obama is one of the most charismatic individuals that we have seen in numerous years. He has ideas that will drive our nation to prosperity. Now, lets look at a few of his ideas.

As President, Obama will resolve the problems with the No Child Left Behind Act. He plans on funding the act properly, which it is severly underfunded at this point. Obama will also implement a tax credit plan in which the first $4000.00 of continued education will be free. This plan is called the American Opportunity Tax Credit.

Obama also plans to implent a affordable healthcare plan for Americans. He wants to make it easier to sing up for the coverage. The plan will be similar to the coverage available to members of Congress.

Obama was also a strong advocate against the War in Iraq. He, unlike Hillary, voted against the war. He had this to say about the war, "an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences." All of which was correct. He plans to remove 1-2 combat brigades each month, so that within 16 months most of the troops will be out. This will appease the critics that do not want all troops to be withdrawn at once.

These are just a few of the issues that he supports. On my next argument, i will bring out more if I feel the need to.

I still do not agree that Hillary is our best choice for the next President of the United States. I personally do not support Hillary, and actually I support John Edwards. However, I will vote for Obama over Hillary.

Obama is a more genuine than Hillary is. Often times Hillary will try to fit into the area that she is; however, she often makes herself look a little ignorant. Obama will act like he always does. I compare him to FDR. No matter where FDR went to, he was the same Blue Blood New Yorker in Maine as he was in Tennessee.

Hillary is a great advocate for womens rights, and she has some good ideas as well, but she seems to appease the votes on the current issues, and not do what is best for our nation. She will flip flop at times on the issues that really matters.

Barack Obama is a very determined individual, and he is doing very well at the time. He won the Iowa primary, and came in a close 2nd in New Hampshire. I think that he would be an excellent President of our United States.
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Posted by nevrfaded 9 years ago
nevrfaded
JL Conservative,

In the big picture, and although I am not a conservative, I think there is little to no chance that a Republican candidate will be elected again this time around. While in control of all branches of government for six years, nothing was delivered of value to the average American. Failure of basic governance/management, incompetance during hurricane Katrina, Walter Reed Scandal, allegations of torture, loss of prestige in the world, endless war and open colonial style occupation of Iraq, ballooning deficit spending from when Clinton had it balanced, cutting taxes for the rich while fighting 2 wars (national sacrafice?) sub-prime mortgage collapse, sinking US dollar, threat of recession, conviction and pardon of scooter libby, no headway or even real leadership on immigration, borders remain unsecure, certaintly no progress on Arab Israeli peace, Pakistan on the skids, no deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.

When you think about legislative successes under Republican rule as of late, what comes to mind? Banning stem cell research? Are social conservatives even happy with the republican record?
Posted by Jlconservative 9 years ago
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First of all Obama has little to no experience in any issue that we face today in America, his ideas are very naive and something a teenager would come up with, and Hillary Clinton is the right person to lead? are you kidding me tell me one thing what has Hillary Clinton done that is worth recognition or anything that proves she can be an effective leader in the past 10 years? she is running and I am already getting sick of her drama and the lies that she spews..has obama or hillary have ANY experience running a business? we need a leader who knows that government are the people that waste so much money give the money to the people and the economy will be fixed, the democratic party is interested in one thing and that is to make the citizens dependent on them so we will keep them in power... vote republican 2008 don't put these communistic ideas in the seat of power.
Posted by Matt_Jones 9 years ago
Matt_Jones
Hillary has the experience for change. She is not clinging to a one word campaign. She says, "Yes I will bring change, and here is how I will do it." Obama just says change change change. We can not risk this historic opportunity to right what has be wronged for the past eight years on someone who has yet to complete a single term in the senate. Vote with your brain folks.
Posted by wingnut2280 9 years ago
wingnut2280
None of the Dems left can claim any experience. They are each first term(ish) Senators that have missed half of the votes in the Senate. Being First Lady doesn't give you any policy experience. Yes, they both went to great colleges, like the rest of the candidates, but has anyone on the Dem side had ANY executive experience?
Posted by nevrfaded 9 years ago
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The point that I am making is that this whole Hilary Clinton is the experienced candidate relative to Barack business is ridiculous, and not self evident. Clinton is essentially a one term junior senator from NY, as is Obama a first term junior Senator. Being educated, living in the governors mansion in Arkansaw, and in the whitehouse counts for little in my mind; and hence affording Laura Bush great experience credit would be laughable, or Chelsey Clinton. What policy making was she involved in besides the healthcare plan that failed? Tours of the west wing? To be sure; america didnt buy it, and her campaign attempted to aggressivley spin the message to claim the change mantle from Obama. Not sure what her slogan or message is as of today? Working for change since the womb probably, only what change is she talking about? Clearly the most "Experienced" career politicians in the democratic field lost handily (Biden, Dodd, Richardson). Bush walked into office with all of the experience in the world, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, not sure who was advising him on Katrina, Iraq, starting WWIII with Iran, collapsing economy sliding into recession, ect. But as a republican you probably see it differently.

Not sure where your analysis of Barack Obama, married to a black women, two black children, community organizer in black Chicago is coming from either? Unless you consider going to harvard and columbia to be "not black;" if you expect him to be a rapper or something. Or a civil rights leader in the spirit of Al Sharpton, as opposed to a more mainstream candidate?
Posted by natenashard 9 years ago
natenashard
let me start my saying i don't completely understand your comments, but i will try to form some opinion on them. i am strictly contrasting hillary against obama, not even that excuse of a candidate edwards. when you compare the two she ultimately an dhands down has the experience. she has been in the white house and in the world of policy and decision making. how can you be in an environment that forms the laws of this great country and walk away without any of the fruits of the outcomes. who are nancy reagan and laura bush? just housewives to me, i never see them or hear anything of them. hillary on the other hand... and you said she was a lousy senator, i'm pretty sure her term isn't up yet. and i beg to differ on that anyway, she is in her 7th year as senator of ny, i guess the people like something about her. i know it sounds like i am pro hillary, but i actually am a republican, but my party is in such a mess i decided to jump ship for a while until they can get things together, and i must admit, i like the air in the hill campaign. obama does absolutely nothing for me, he's cocky and not all that humble. but somehow he is portrayed as a modern martin luther king, give me a break. in addition i have heard over and over that the black vote is his and all his, why is that? i am black and i would vote for a dog before i voted for him, obama in now way reflects the african american culture. for so long he seperated himself from us, and now that our voice can be heard through votes, he has come back. so my argument really has nothing to do with the over used word "establishment".
Posted by nevrfaded 9 years ago
nevrfaded
When you talk about experience and Hilary Clinton, what are you talking about Hand? When her husband was president, when her healthcare plan failed? Would you vote for Nancy Reighan or Laura Bush on such an assumption? Clinton was a lousey NY Senator, and rarely even talks about NY. When she did "illegal alien drivers licences," it was a disaster. Was it her experience that told her to vote for and continue to support the war in Iraq, or escalate things with Iran? Lets go back to the future, stop hoping America, guess the establishment works for some people.
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