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Rlancer55
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Hillary Clition Would be the worst president!

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Started: 1/19/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Rlancer55

Pro

Hillary clition is the worst candidate for president... y would you vote for her? i think she is the worst candidate for president b/c she will get her lady friend and like blow the US up... Also she is using her husbands fan base to get her self votes.. and she would have divorced him years ago but she new that she could use him when she ran for president...
Tatarize

Con

* There's no such individual as "Hillary Clition."
* George W. Bush already is the worst president. The bar is pretty low.
* Having a First Gentleman whose done the job already, isn't a downside; he did the job quite well.
* Huckabee wants to amend the constitution to include the Bible, how does that not qualify as worse?
* McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years, how does that not qualify as worse?
* Jonathon "The Impaler" Sharkey, is running on a platform of impaling terrorists, how does that no qualify as worse?

You have suggested no reason to believe the topic, other suggesting that menstruation causes thermonuclear war in addition to cramping.

However there are a large number of female leaders and a noted lacking of people blowing themselves up because it was their time of the month.

Ireland, President Mary McAleese
New Zealand, Prime Minister Helen Clark
Finland, President Tarja Halonen
The Philippines, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo
Mozambique, Prime Minister Luisa Diogo
Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel
Liberia, President Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Chile, President Michelle Bachelet
Switzerland, President Micheline Calmy-Rey
India, President Pratibha Patil
Debate Round No. 1
Rlancer55

Pro

Bush is a ok pres if you were the pres when they blew up the towers you have sent our troops over there also...
* also hillary is horrible for pres b/c she has no idea what to do and also that if we have a lady pres every other country would look at us like were weak...
* i say this b/c they r going to think if we let a girl run our country that we r a bunch of little girls..
that is y she is the worst candidate for pres
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Con

You state that, "Bush is a ok pres". This is categorically false. Bush has set the bar so low that you could randomly pick somebody off the street and ask them to be president and they would do better. Noticing how horrific somebody would need to be to wrest that title from Bush makes the debate topic require that much more evidence.

You then follow up, "if you were the pres when they blew up the towers you have sent our troops over there also..." -- By "over there" I assume you mean Iraq. No. Categorically I would not. Osama Bin Laden was chiefly responsible for 9/11 he resided in Afghanistan. There is no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Picture if you would, after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor we declare war on Australia. -- That's as much sense as Iraq makes.

You further argue, "hillary is horrible for pres b/c she has no idea what to do" -- She doesn't? If she gets in a jam, I'm sure her husband could help her out. Bill Clinton was president for the better part of the 1990s. She has been part of government in some capacity or another for about three decades. She's the prepared of any of the politicians running this election. Further, one cannot draw from an inference of qualifications a clear determination of result.

The remainder of your argument is a poorly-spelled sexist tirade about how female leaders would make us appear more "girly". I'm almost at a loss as to how to respond. Women have proven themselves capable leaders. Simply being female is not a logical argument, in fact it's a genetic fallacy. Further, I am not convinced that appearing caring and nurturing in the eyes of other countries would be a bad thing. Under Bush we've lost a lot of respect in the world, and a clear sign that we're taking another direction would be highly recommendable.

Of the candidates running today she is the most qualified and quite easily the most moderate. Other than attacking her gender in flawed arguments, you've done little to meet the burden of providing the requisite backing for your case. You still haven't met the burden of proof.

Perhaps in round three.
Debate Round No. 2
Rlancer55

Pro

yes i now is she gts in a jam her husband will get her out with out him she would be no facter with in this debate she has no idea what to do she relies on him the hole time to do this and that just to keep her campain running...
Tatarize

Con

>>"yes i now is she gts in a jam her husband will get her out with out him she would be no facter with in this debate she has no idea what to do she relies on him the hole time to do this and that just to keep her campain running..."

So your argument is that she could somehow manage to beat Bush to the bottom for worst president ever because even though she's extremely competent her husband has her back? That and some sexist tirades? Women make fine leaders as I covered in part one.

I've seen nothing to suggest that Hillary Clinton would be anything but a fantastic president. Certainly nothing to meet any burden of proof, less so considering how low the bar set due to our current president.

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You make me worry about the youth of today. I've seen some individuals whose reasoning and understanding rivals my own, at young ages, but to see the flip side: I really worry. It's hard enough to piece together your arguments, then when I do, and make some sense out of them... they make less sense. Why did you even start this debate? You clearly are poorly informed about the world, and apparently spell about as well as you judge the performance of presidents. Couldn't you have posted your bigoted sexist argument in one round just as easily?

Perhaps we should stop making schooling mandatory, you never hear about the kids who exceed their potential in those old coal mines.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by MWonderWolf 1 year ago
MWonderWolf
Obama SUCKSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hillary Clinton SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donald Trump SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY'RE ALL SUCKARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABIGAIL AND MALINA ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by shwayze 9 years ago
shwayze
Hilary Clinton is the most unethical, immoral, calculating, manipulative, power-hungry candidate I have ever seen.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
read my previous comments

she is a commie from hell and evil

GO OBAMA
Posted by anwermate 9 years ago
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Wow, how did themaverick get any votes. And seriously, just click the spell check button before you click submit, it takes all of 3 seconds and even if your arguments are stupid you wont seem so uninformed.
Posted by Advidoct 9 years ago
Advidoct
both of your arguments are stupid. Pro...you need some facts...thats what makes a debate. You are spouting predictions with nothing to back them up.

Con, your entire argument is based solely on ur opinions of other people. You need more facts. You cant just say bush is the worst president ever...give reasons.

Im gunna have to vote Con in this one because he definatly did better than pro.

Just to throw in my opinion....Hillary would be an awful president (though i would pick her over Huckabee). Her foreign policy is totally unproductive, her domestic policies will destroy american ingenuity and work ethic, her morals and ethics leave MUCH to be desired, and her history is very questionable. Its amazing just how much questionable things there are in her past the she manages to keep mostly unnoticed. She isnt quite the worst, but she is definatly the second.
Posted by Themaverick 9 years ago
Themaverick
Funny but true, do we really care about what people think about us? You start talking some crap we will hit you were it hurts the most in your pocketbooks with a trade freeze and hell we might build an army base who knows lol. But yes countries wont talk to a woman president period.
Posted by phunkyboy123 9 years ago
phunkyboy123
"also hillary is horrible for pres b/c she has no idea what to do and also that if we have a lady pres every other country would look at us like were weak" How can any country look at us as weak when we are the powerfulest country in the world. Also, why should we care what other countries think about us.
Posted by Themaverick 9 years ago
Themaverick
Hillary will be the worst for one reason so don't even debate over anything but this "socialism"!
Posted by alexthemoderate 9 years ago
alexthemoderate
*Concurs with Logos* There should be some regulation on this site. If not regulation, at least a way for smart people to kick dumb people off. Ha. I'll stop now.
Posted by Logos 9 years ago
Logos
I do not support Hillary Clinton, but I will vote against Rlancer for two reasons.

1) The title was vague enough to suggest that ANY other person would do a better job than Mrs. Clinton. Issues of policy aside, there are many people who would be worse Presidents. Vald Dracula, any five year old, etc, etc.

2) Rlancer's arguments were completely devoid of anything resembling quality. Poor grammar, pitiable spelling, and seemingly random statements all mixed together and passed off as reasoned debate? You cannot be serious.

I agree with Tatarize's last two paragraphs. The exceedingly poor quality of your posts indicate you do not care enough about the topic to even try. I do not mean this as an insult, but as an attempt to get you to reevaluate how you debate. Correct spelling and sentence structure go a long way. Logical, reasoned arguments that go beyond "she will get her lady friend and like blow the US up" are also a great help towards advancing your point. This is a serious debate webiste, meant to allow mature, intelligant people an opportunity to exchange ideas. If you cannot deal with that, I suggest you return to middle school and stop wasting our time.
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