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Hirsch's Method of Pedagogy Trumps Freire's

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Started: 4/3/2013 Category: Philosophy
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moliveira8264

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Pedagogy is the method and practice of teaching. Based on this definition, Hirsch"s traditional, narrative approach or "banking system" of education trumps Freire"s more progressive (problem-posing) views.
A modern society functions most effectively with a system of roads, bridges, tunnels, highways, etc. used to transport goods. Likewise, a modern society functions most effectively when a cultural and intellectual infrastructure is in place and is used to transfer ideas. Hirsch"s theory of education establishes an infrastructure for true growth.
"The function of national literacy is to foster effective nationwide communications. Our chief instrument of communication over time and space is the standard national language, which is sustained by national literacy." (Hirsch 2.1)
Jaygee

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Liberation from the oppressing teacher is one of the key factors to the success of Problem Posing education. It rejects the banking concept of education and produces a consciousness to the world of which one can truly transform, develop, and succeed."Liberation is a praxis: the action and reflection of men upon their world in order to transform it" (Page 4, Paragraph 5).In the problem posing education one embodies true knowledge and can apply it to the world. It allows one to think outside of the box, and creates liberation in the person and the teacher. They are both learning from each other which can constitute true knowledge. There is clearly a major flaw with the banking concept of education if most businessman as Hirsche states can not communicate affectively which the banking concept doesn"t allow and the problem posing education does allow.. There is a flaw in education if this is the case. You say, "Hirsch"s theory of education establishes an infrastructure for true growth." However, the Banking concept only creates an oppressing situation where the teacher dominates and the student is the disposable that just takes in the information and never learns. They are close minded in some ways and cant create true growth within themselves and creates a static reality.
Debate Round No. 1
moliveira8264

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Yeah but you still have to learn to read and write. Then you can establish a foundation of linguistic, cultural, historical knowledge to which you can compare and contrast all your future experiences to. One has to learn to read before he or she can read to learn, and even in the problem-posing method of education there are reading materials. In order to study any subject, background information is required. Hirsch said, "To grasp the words on a page we have to know a lot of information that isn't set down on the page." (2.3)
Some basis of commonly shared information is necessary to fully extract meaning from, or convey meaning through, words. Hirsch also states "the explicit words are just surface pointers to textual meaning in reading and writing. The comprehending reader must bring to the text appropriate background information that includes knowledge not only about the topic but also the shared attitudes and conventions that color a piece of writing." (6.2)
Jaygee

Con

Although one does need to know basic knowledge of words to develop their thinking it is essentially their knowledge that they try to retain that is oppressing themselves. They are not asking questions, and developing a consciousness to develop. Verbalistic lessons, reading requirements, the methods for evaluating "knowledge," the distance between the teacher and the taught, the criteria for promotion: everything in this ready-to-wear approach serves to obviate thinking. (page 3 paragraph 5). Hirshe states that his students are not ignorant when one asked about Latin America and the latin culture. But if they weren"t ignorant in knowing cultural knowledge then why are they not realizing that these two do not connect. The teacher is obviously only teaching them things they need to know but nothing else and not connecting with worldy views..
In conclusion can one really learn. "Some basis of commonly shared information is necessary to fully extract meaning from" like you say
Debate Round No. 2
moliveira8264

Pro

When speaking of literacy what I"m referring to is cultural literacy. National unity is dependent on this as a true way to achieve social equality. Hirsch stated "As the universal second culture, literate culture has some of the common currency for social and economic exchange in our democracy, and the only available ticket to full citizenship. Getting one's membership card is not tied to class or race. Membership is automatic if one learns the background information and the linguistic conventions that are needed to read, write and speak effectively." (8.5) You argued that Hirsch"s theory of education is oppressive, when it actually paves the way for true democracy. Why do you think slave traders, plantation owners, and outright racists were against teaching blacks even basic literacy? It was a way to keep them from acquiring knowledge and to maintain power and control over them. "Literate culture is the most democratic culture in our land: it excludes nobody; it cuts across generations and social groups and classes." (Hirsch 8.4) Not educating our country in this unified, homogenous manner is a setup for cultural fragmentation and a recipe for regional conflict and internal collapse.
Jaygee

Con

You say that this concept fulfills a democracy. Yet this concept makes the oppressed worse off especially miniorites since they can not participate fully in this democratic society when they are illiterate. To transform a society one needs to.. "not to "integrate' them into the structure of oppression, but to transform that structure so that they can become "beings for themselves." (Page 2, paragraph 4). It is clearly still an issue today if miniorites are the ones to be blamed supposively for Obama winning the elections in 2012. Some politicans have even created ways to ban miniorites in Newark from voting. Thus banking education fails. If our school systems also do not have a set curriculum, and all are learning different information. Then one can not fully communicate, and or realate with the world. Furthermore The problem posing education creates dialoge and authenticity. Students that use Problem Posing education, essentially makes unrecognized elements stand out, of which are then reflected upon. When one is most conscious of their surroundings one can single out and reflect upon them. One is having a conscious experience rather than a "conscious of"."That which had existed objectively but had not been perceived in its deeper implications (if indeed it was perceived at all) begins to "stand out,"" Thus, men begin to single out elements from their "background awarenesses" and to reflect upon them. These elements are now objects of men's consideration, and, as such, objects of their action and cognition" (Page 6, Paragraph 4).
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