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Hirsch's theory of pedagogy trumps Freire's

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Started: 4/3/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mareym

Pro

Hirsch's theory of pedagogy trumps Freire's because knowledge needs to be passed down the ages to the youth through a teacher who is well versed in the subject matter. it is the teachers duty to present the children with the information and it is their duty to absorb the information so that it can be readily available for daily use. Hirsch bases his theory on the rising lack of cultural literacy that has been growing and he says the way to combat this is by passing down the information to the children in a standardized form so that they can communicate efficiently.
livelaughlove12

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Althought Hirch's theory of pedagogy seems reasonable because it's the idea that a teacher has to pass down information to a student does not mean that it is efficient. The idea of the banking concept of education is in fact oppressive due to the fact that the students are just receiving the information. There is no criticial thinking involved for a student. In Hirsh's theory, "banking education resists dialogue..." This means that the students are not allowed to provide any further imput because they are just receiving information. It's a one way street and they can't provide any cognitive thinking. There is in fact no communication between both the person who provides information and the person who just receives the information.
Debate Round No. 1
mareym

Pro

"you said 'there is in fact no communication between both the person who is provides the information and the person who just receives the information'" why would you want the person learning to be giving information? the person teaching is teaching because he has been trained to teach. for there to be communication there must first be mutual understanding, you must understand a concept before being able to think critically about it. how can we communicate if we don't understand what we are saying and what we are discussing. there must first be a minimal level of understanding and this understanding is brought about by the teacher handing down the knowledge that he/she possess. Hirsch says "Our children can learn this information only by being taught it"
livelaughlove12

Con

Whereas it it true that there are certain things that the teacher will know due to certain pieces of knowledge being passed down. However, every day there is something new that is being developed by different people. Freire says, " men know themselves to be unfinished; they are aware of their incompletion. In this incompletion and this awareness lie the very roots of education as an exclusively human manifestation. The unfinished character of men and the transformational character of reality necessitate that education be an ongoing activity." Just because there was previous knowledge that had been learned that the teacher must teach to the students, does not mean that it should just be handed down. Many of historical figures have learned things from their previous educators, but it should never stop them from trying to provide something new. Freire simply points out that a student should never have to feel oppressed, or intimidated by a teacher because what they say is always right and what they say is always wrong. They become almost zombie-like because it is constant repetition from something they heard. The students should never have to feel like what they say is wrong, but have a chance to speak out their opinions of certain ideas because one day, their ideas may be brilliant enough to be taught to others so that others can also think cognitively.
Debate Round No. 2
mareym

Pro

"you said' their ideas may be brilliant enough to be taught to others so that others can also think cognitively.'" students cannot have an idea about the subject without having understanding of the matter which can only be had through a teacher. it is a teacher's responsibility to stay up to date and inform students of recent discoveries and such that occur within the field that the teacher specializes in. uneducated students would not be capable of understanding or absorbing the information in a manner that they can communicate efficiently and teach anyone anything. it is the teacher's responsibility to give the students the information that is required for them to be able to communicate efficiently. from efficient communication the doors to the world are opened. Hirsch said "Many young people strikingly lack the information that writers of American books and newspapers have traditionally taken for granted among their readers from all generations. For reasons explained in this book, our children's lack of intergenerational information is a serious problem for the nation. The decline of literacy and the decline of shared knowledge are closely related, interdependent facts." if students don't have the information needed to comprehend the basic information of any text they will be unable to pass that information on to anyone.
livelaughlove12

Con

you said "if students don't have the information needed to comprehend the basic information of any text they will be unable to pass that information on to anyone." The first person who ever learned something didn't learn by listen to an educator teach them. They had to experience it. One person's answer is not always the correct answer to something and it all depends on one's perception. More importantly, Freire states "any situation in which some men prevent others from engaging in the process of inquiry is one of violence. The means used are not importnat; to alienate men from their own decision-making is to change them into objects." Every person should be able to make their own choices about learning something. Just because a teacher teaches something does not always mean that the student will fully grasp the idea as to how it came to be, or how it works. In this sense, the students should not just be objects to receive information. Their views and perception of things should allow them to be open-minded, not close-minded about a subject. Everyone has their views on certain things and ways to go about getting to the answers. Some answers are straight-forward but the teacher may not always put it in a way that can be comprehended for a student, yet they have to receive that information and stay silent about all of it. Thus, Hirsch's theory is completely invalid because the student should be able to perceive certain things in their own way and they can teach themselves, giving no need for an educator to educate them on something that they can read in a book.
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