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Vladimir_Lenin
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Hitler after all was a good guy

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/22/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Vladimir_Lenin

Pro

Just saying., I am not a Nazi or "neo-nazi."

First round is acceptance.
Shader609

Con

I accept your debate. Best of luck. Have fun proving that Hitler was quote a good guy
Debate Round No. 1
Vladimir_Lenin

Pro

1/. He never wanted to kill any Jews
Whenever you hear anyone espouse (repeat) the lies about Hitler the nasty Jew-killer. Please always make a point of asking this very simple question: "Where did you get that information from?"
Perhaps we all at some point have repeated this fable. Why would we not, when it"s shoved down our throats 24/7, year in year out for decades(?) There hasn"t been a man on this planet who has been demonized as much as Herr Hitler.
If Hitler wanted to kill Jews, why oh why throughout all his speeches and manuscripts and his book Mein Kampf did he not mention this? Did he just forget? No, he didn"t say or write it BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTENTION OF KILLING THE JEWS.
No matter what amount of destruction he had observed done by the Jews to his people; he had enough self-discipline and ethical code not to take revenge. Being a strong character, he was able to rise above the darkness, the demonic standards of the judaic mindset and show self-restraint and humility.
That is why he created "containment work camps" for the Jews and certainly NOT death camps.

Because he was one of the good guys.

2/. He cared about conditions for the Jews in the work camps
Unbeknown to billions of people the Nazi camps were not death camps, nor were they places to carry out human experiments. They were simply containment camps. Something had to be done with these destructive anti-social Jews who were strangling Germany. Thanks to the Jews, Germany had lost it"s moral code and had become debased and de-cultured ".does that ring a bell?
Something had to be done! And Hitler did do something " he placed all the Jews in containment camps to allow Germany to breath again. But " this is the key point in this essay/piece. He did it in a way which was ethical. The camps had decent sufficient food (bearing in mind it was war time), they had theaters, swimming pools, football pitches, post offices where inmates could communicate to the outside world, kindergartens, art and music recreation and even prostitutes.
Quality sanitation within the camps was paramount and that is why the inmates clothes were regularly de-loused with cyanide gas. There were no human gas chambers""THAT IS A BIG FAT KOSHER LIE; to which the world has had to endure for over half a century.
My theory is that if there had not have been a war effort, Hitler would not have even made the Jews work. AND I bet you the containment camps would have been luxury rehabilitation centers. In order to slowly de-programme the Jews from their mind control cult.

Because he was one of the good guys.

3/. He had compassion for other sentient beings
Many historians claim he was a vegetarian. I believe this is true, but whether this it is or not, the point is he had a clear connection and affection for his fellow creatures. I"m not suggesting just because he may have been a veggie that therefore he was a good person; but this was a man of compassion and that he recognised the importance of compassion in society. He had so much affection for his German shepherds (picture above with his beloved "Blondie"). He banned all animal experimentation, recocnizing it to be evil. Hitler could see the connection between all life forms. It was his level of consciousness. Respect for nature, animals and human life.

Because he was one of the good guys.

4/. He tried to prevent the destruction of his fellow Europeans
Numerous occasions Hitler tried to warn and assist his fellow brethren about the Jewish trap they had fallen for and who really was behind all the warmonger. He dropped fliers from planes trying in vein to prevent Germany and Britain fighting. He initially wanted to make alliances with Britain. Many occasions he gave opportunities to opposing European forces, where he could have slaughtered them. It was his internal spiritual angst for him to be fighting (defending) amongst his European brothers and sisters. He did all he could to avoid war, he was not the warmonger we all have been led to believe.

Because he was one of the good guys.

5/. He cared passionately about his people and German heritage
Hitler observed the degrading machinations of the Jews in Austria and Germany. It not only disgusted and angered him, but saddened him to see how these two nations were being destroyed from the inside out like a cancer " a cancer that his sleepy folksmen could not see. The exact same angst those of us who are Jew-conscious find ourselves in. He was a man who cared about society, a man who cared about culture, who cared about nature, about moral values and about building and improving as opposed to destroying and degrading.
He was a man who had fought for his country, in the trenches and been hospitalized for his country. How many of our sell out politicians today can claim that? He was a true spokesman of the people, for the people who had diligently worked his way up from grass roots. From microcosmic pep talks to his fellow workman on building sites, to talks in beer houses, to speeches in basements, to town halls. As well as all the behind-the-scenes work and risks. Slung in jail, mocked and defamed. Endless tireless work to resolve the destruction of his peoples.
I would also strongly suggest he cared about all peoples. Yes, including black people, despite the kosher myth he was a supremacist racist.

Because he was one of the good guys.

6/. He was a humble man, from a humble background
Can any of us name one present western politician who can claim that these days? No, today they"re all criminals, fed through the kosher criminal system. All built on materialistic gain and kudos. All content with serving the beast for their demonic and self-serving interests. Their greed and hubris having no boundaries.
Hitler worked on building sites as a laborer for crying out loud. How many of these leaches under the guise of politicians do you know have that background? He was also a humble street artist, barely scraping a living together. Some days he had to decide whether to spend his meager earnings on a political book, or to eat " he opted for the former. Now that is passion in politics and a drive for social reform.

Because he was one of the good guys.

7/. He held correspondence with Mahatma Gandhi
This alone doesn"t necessarily suggest he was a good person. But more that Gandhi and Hitler were in alignment on many issues. They both recognized the evil force they were up against and both were coming from a humanitarian position. The bottom line is Gandhi would not have corresponded with a so-called evil mad dictator hell bent on wanting to kill the Jews and rule the world.

Because he was one of the good guys.

8/. He implemented cultural and social reform
Throughout Hitler"s political career, his common theme was about "cleaning up". He had seen the filth the Jews had created and desperately wanted Germany to reverse these degrading trends. He banned supermarkets, because he wanted local small businesses to prosper. He banned degrading modern art, as he recognised it for what it was. He banned vivisection (animal experiments), because in his wisdom he could see how futile and unnecessary they were.
He encouraged healthy youth activities and social programmes to enhance cultural pride and individual self worth, such as sports and recreational activities. He encouraged men to be men and women to be feminine. He helped develop beauty, cleanliness and pride back into the Germany people.

Because he was one of the good guys.

9/. He stamped on usury
This subject links in most of the points in this list and what Hitler achieved as a leader. But I thought it was essential that this topic was highlighted in isolation, as it was probably the single most important act of bravery and compassion Hitler offered to his people. Unfortunately this act alone was enough to piss off the Jewish IMF and therefore create WW2.
Usury is the elite Jews most powerful and demonic weapon amongst their whole armament of destructive weapons. More powerful than their poisons and even their mind control techniques. Because it"s their use of compound interest that enables them to create a stranglehold on every industry and therefore every level of society. Nobody can escape usury " everybody is infected by it.
That is why Hitler created his own independent currency as a first move when he came to power. And hey presto " that is why Germany was able to get back on it"s feet and flourish as all nations should. Hitler recognised the judaic invention of usury as unlawful, ungodly and unnatural " and as a talmudic curse which has crippled every host nation the Jews have entered into and ultimately, that which brings about their demise.
Hitler freed his people of this curse.

Because he was one of the good guys.
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In conclusion
Hitler was probably the hero of the second world war and the 21st century. A man of ethical courage, a man of spiritual perception and good intent. A spiritual soul who cared " cared about all life forms, all cultures, about goodness and Light and ultimately about Truth.

Related info:

Video of Gandhi"s correspondence to Hitler

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Film on Hitler

(which is not told in the Jewish main stream outlets)

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv...
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Mein Kampf

May I suggest when reading it, digest it slowly. It needs concentration and is certainly not a casual weekend read.

http://www.hitler.org...
Shader609

Con

Was Hitler a good guy? I am disgusted that any human being can say that; even with confidence. Regardless of what you believe, there was nothing great about Hitler. Hitler was never a quote "A Good Guy" Good guys do not kills millions of people, commit suicide, and trick people into Nazism.

A. In his book Meir Kampf, Hitler will obviously not talk about wanting the kill Jewish people. If he referred to genocide of Jewish people, Hitler would have never rose to power. Hitler tricked people into condoning Nazism. The book was the first part. After the book, Hitler eventually rose to power. After WWI, Germany was in despair. While Germany was in despair, Hitler convinced people that he should be the leader of Germany. People did not know that he would be in on an genocide. Maybe the only good thing about Hitler is that he was an opportunist. Tricking people into genocide does not in any way make him a good person. Even if he was friends with Gandhi, it does make him a good person. Hitler used Gandhi as a shield to make people believe that he was a good person. It was ALL a plan. Can you not see the plan that Hitler put into place? Hitler did not believe in religion so it is impossible to believe that Hitler actually idolized Gandhi. The numbers, people who died, the destruction he put on the world, I cannot put that in words. I will let the numbers and pictures do the talking in respect for the seven million plus people who died.
SOURCES
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
http://www.jewishgen.org...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Vladimir_Lenin

Pro

But what happened after Hitler raised to power? Did Hitler made Germany the worst country to be born in? No he didn't.

Before Hitler was the leader of Germany, the "Weimar Republic" or Germany was on a terrible state, its money was worthless, children would build pyramids out of money and all that money used to build it was not even worth a loaf of Bread,. After Hitler came in, all began to change, the currency's value rose, less and less people became undemployed and Germany grew in millitary strenght and national pride.

Why Hitler hated Jews?
Because it was the Jews who made Germany to be in a such horrible state.

Nazi Germany was by far the strongest nation that time, the first to have a idea to go to space aand to build nukes.

"If Nazi Germany was the strongest nation in the world, how did they lost the war?"

I would like to see you winning a war against most of the world's superpowers. Plus, how did hey conquered France and Europe so easily?
Shader609

Con

Once again, your round three argument is irrelevant? Do you realize how many people Hitler killed and took advantage of? Even when Hitler rose to power and made the economy better, how long did that last? Not very long. As soon Hitler lost WWII, Hitler was no where to been seen again. Hitler turned on every person who believed in him. Hitler was not a good guy; Hitler was a coward. In your round three argument paragraph 3, you basically say that you hate Jewish people.
"Why Hitler hated Jews?
Because it was the Jews who made Germany to be in a such horrible state." -Pro
Hitler used Jewish people as a scapegoat. Obviously, it was not Jewish people fault for their economic depression.

"If Nazi Germany was the strongest nation in the world, how did they lost the war?"

"I would like to see you winning a war against most of the world's superpowers. Plus, how did hey conquered France and Europe so easily?"-Pro If you had any knowledge of WWII, you would know that Hitler LOST WWII. Because Hitler turned on Stalin, Nazi Germany lost WWII. I am not disagreeing that Germany was a strong nation under Hitler. It is how Hitler rose to power is what I am questioning. Throughout this debate, you continue to ignore the fact that Hitler was the reason for the genocide of Jewish people. Otherwise known as the Holocaust. In addition to you ignoring the Holocaust, you have no evidence to some of your points. Particularly arguments 2,3, and 5.
Counter 2: If Hitler really cared about the well being of Jewish people, why would he put them in death camps? According to some historians, Nazis leaders would have the people of the camp do useless work just to torture them to death. My "theory" of your number two from round two) is that you are an discriminator of the Jewish people. The arguments that you posted in black and white prove that your a racist and support the Nazi regime.
Counter 3: I do not care if Hitler was best friends with the pope. What Hitler did to people that lived in his OWN country is heinous crime. If Hitler really cared about his people, why is he responsible for the lives of seven million plus people? The mass destruction of the environment around him and the deaths of innocent people completely make number 3 irrelevant. Do you know how long it took to fix the devastation caused by WWII? Decades, Time, and Money
Counter 4: Hitler did NOTHING to stop the war. Hitler is the reason why the war started and ended.
Hitler was never a good guy. There is NO way you can condone the lives lost and the destruction caused to millions of families and property destroyed. Holocaust happened whether you believe it or not.
SOURCES
http://www.ushmm.org...
http://history1900s.about.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Vladimir_Lenin

Pro

Vladimir_Lenin forfeited this round.
Shader609

Con

Shader609 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by NeoVoltaire 3 years ago
NeoVoltaire
I want to see how this pans out. So far both raise good questions academically. Best of luck to both of you.
Posted by neptune1bond 3 years ago
neptune1bond
I love how pro implies that evil jerkwads always go around saying,"hey everybody! I'm an evil doucheb@g and want mass genocide!" I've met some pretty crappy people in my life and not once did they ever state themselves to be such. Someone does not accomplish the level of doucheb@ggery that Hitler has accomplished by stating their intentions up front. That would be like a mugger coming up to someone who just withdrew money from the bank and saying,"hey, I plan on beating the crap out of you and taking your money, will you please go down the closest dark alley now so that I can do it please? Thanks!" or a scam artist sending you an e-mail saying,"You've just won the lottery! You just have to pay $5,000 dollars in taxes in fees. Btw, I'm totally lying to you, this is a scam, and I plan on taking the money you Western Union to me and never contacting you again."

It's also ridiculous that pro wants us to believe that if Hitler may have done some good things, that he was somehow not capable of being the doucheb@g that he was. I know personally of a lady whose mother used to donate a lot of money to charities, but would turn around and beat her children bloody and send them to the hospital because they looked at her the wrong way and were being "disrespectful" when in actuality they were just terrified of her. Does the fact that she donated money to charity somehow make her incapable of beating children? They say that Ted Bundy was really charming until he got that look in his eye and decide that the person should have their head cut off so that he could go and have sex with the headless corpse. In fact, it was partially his articulate way of speaking and his pleasant demeanor that helped him get away with his crimes as long as he did. But apparently pro would have us believe that psychopaths all go around making public statements of their intentions first. Wow, the police force must be pretty darn inadequate if they allow any crimes at all.
Posted by SirClare 3 years ago
SirClare
I just noticed a mistake within my comment. It reads "however, there were quotes" when it should say "however, there were no quotes". It would be nice if there were a way to edit comments instead of writing a second one to correct myself.
Posted by whiteflame 3 years ago
whiteflame
Agreed on all fronts.
Posted by SirClare 3 years ago
SirClare
I would just like to take a moment to point out that Vladimir has made many claims in his argument (e.g. "There were no human gas chambers" and that the camps had "theaters, swimming pools, football pitches, post offices, [etc.]"); however, there were quotes throughout the text that linked those claims to outside sources. In fact, the only sources provided were Mein Kampf and some video series. You cannot just make claims and provide no direct proof for them.
Posted by whiteflame 3 years ago
whiteflame
...Wow... that first post, Vlad, is just... Wow. Neo-nazi you may not be, but Holocaust denier, you most certainly are.
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