Hitler was worse than Stalin
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Before the second world war had even started, Stalin was notorious for his "great purge" during the the late 1930's. This great purge ocurred due to Stalin being paranoid of other political leaders and even millitary leaders. During the purge, approx 1.5 million people got arrested and accused of "conspiring against the people" or being an "enemy of the people". Of those 1 500 000 people, more than 660 000 people were executed (see Communism: A History by Richard Pipes, page 67 forsource).
These executions paralyzed the Red Army. A lot of generals got tried and shot, zhukov narrowly escaped the trials by being tied up with the battle of Khalkhin Gol on the Manchurian front, in the Siberian far east. Others generals in Europe weren't so lucky. The purge had a profound effect on the Red Army in europe, There were no generals to develope new millitary tactics or even war plans. When the Soviet Union invaded poland, the inexperienced generals grew over-confident due to the low casualties. This proved disasterous when the "green" generals used the same invasion tactics against Finland during the Winter War. They won the war at a heavy price. In general casualties, the Red Army suffered a devastating 5:1 loss in manpower, tanks and airplanes. The Red Army also suffered a gruesome 6 soldiers killed for each Finish soldier death, amassing to approx 125,000 Russian KIA's vs. the finnish 26 000, and that's not even going into the German-Russian war, which i will save for after i have recieved pro's response.
Hitler killed around 30 million people in 4 years. Stalin killed around 40 million people in 28 years. Hitler killed people because he did not like them and considered them to be inferior. Stalin killed people because he was paranoid about them being a threat and because he believed that he was doing the right thing with building his industries. Also, Stalin put his factories to building armaments long before 1940. The reason the Soviets lost so much during WWII was because they were unprepared and had bad leadership. Had it not been for the collapse of Nazi Germany, Hitler would have killed millions more Poles, Jews, Soviets, etc in his extermination camps all because he did not like those people.
It is clear who is the greater of two evils. Hitler killed people at a much faster rate which proves that he was much worse. Concentration camps were death camps. Gulag camps were work camps.
"The subsequent invasion and war reached the very suburbs of Moscow and cost the USSR 10 million millitary dead and an estimated 14-17 million civilian dead, amassing to 24-27 million dead, making stalin responisble for 50% of all casualties in ww2 because he neglected the millitary and civilian needs just to make his industrial dream real. This is not even mentioning the german civilian deaths and rapes when the USSR invaded Germany and Poland in 1944-45. Hitler is far from responible for all the soviet deaths, had the soviet union been armed and preared with a competent general corp, the war could have ended far sooner."
Hitler was responsible for all of these deaths, not Stalin. Stalin was not the one who killed 17 million civilians. And also, about 3 million Red Army soldiers died in Hitler's POW camps.
You simply do not have enough evidence to prove that Stalin was worse than Hitler. I agree that both dictators killed millions of people and that Stalin killed more than Hitler, but Hitler was ready to kill the entire population of eastern Europe simply because he did not like those people and considered them inferior.
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Now, at it's peak in november 1942, the Third Reich had direct hegemony over the following occupied countries Norway, Denmark, France, Luxembourg, Belgia, The Netherlands, France, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, estonia and parts of greece and yugoslavia. Not to mention the puppet states of Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria. Italy controlled their own people until 1943 (invasion of sicily) and the african colonies do not have proper census information, so i didnt take those to factors into account.
But all those terriotories, pluss germany's, 1939 census amasses to a whopping approx 255 million people. HItler had controll over more people than stalin, who had at his heigth of power about 200 million people under his control, and thats mostly his own country. If the Soviet Union had not stopped at by Postdam and the allies had never invaded normandy. Stalin would have controlled alot of freedom loving people waiting to be executed for being "enemies of the people"
Now i'm probably going to lose the vote on this since i didn't answer Pro on two rounds and didn't give him the chance to respond the arguements in this round and that i do apologize, greatly, for
Source: www.wikipedia.org for census information
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