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VarEvidenceEqualsTrue
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joshuar1996
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Hitler would have won if Sino-German cooperation was not distrupted.

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Started: 7/22/2016 Category: Society
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VarEvidenceEqualsTrue

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Today, I'm going to debate that if Hitler would have won if he had kept the pre war alliance with the Republic of China, instead of siding with Japan.

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joshuar1996

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hey! I agree to debate. Just do we have to source? I'm not saying im not but just in case is evidence mandatory or optional
Debate Round No. 1
VarEvidenceEqualsTrue

Pro

When making a claim, you need some evidence to support it. But because this is a alternative history debate, sometimes evidence will not be available. Use evidence when you can, but it's not mandatory.

Before I start my debate, some history first: At the start of the Second Sino-Japanese war, Nazi Germany and Hitler supported the Chinese Nationalists because of the historical ties between Germany and China. However, after the Chinese army suffered a series of humiliating defeats at the hands of the Japanese, Hitler decided that a stronger, more modern ally is better than a weak and defeated ally. So Hitler allied with Japan instead. Hitler also expected that Japan would help him in his invasion of the Soviet Union, which contrary to popular belief, Japan did try, but failed miserably in, so Japan was forced to sign a non-aggression pact between themselves and the Soviet Union, Hitler also did not anticipate that Japan would drag America into the war.

Today I will debate that if Hitler would have kept the alliance between themselves and Nationalist China, they're would have won WWII. Why? Because of three reasons, 1: No America 2: No continued lend-lease after pearl harbor & 3: Chinese man-power and raw material support.

Assuming that Hitler supports China, Germany would have declared war against The Empire of Japan, presumably after a victory (example: the surrender of France). However, Germany would only be able to give the Chinese political support and not any military support because of the huge amounts of hostile territory between them, especially after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.

In our timeliness, the Soviet Union manages to turn the tide of WWII after the victory at Stalingrad. But I believe that the turning of the tide is impossible without the 7000 tanks 11400 aircraft and 412000 armored trucks and vehicles, given to the Soviet Union by the United States under the Lend-Lease act. [1] At the start of operation barbarossa [2], Nazi Germany completely destroyed Stalin's air force, and the Nazis would have had complete aerial superiority if America did not give the Soviet all those planes. But in a timeline in which Nazi Germany is fighting the Japanese, America would not fight the Germans or help the Soviet union. And since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Nazi Germany might even be considered as America's friend after Pearl Harbor.

Without American support, I believe that the Soviet Union will be unable to turn the tide, and after the Japanese are defeated by the Americans and the Chinese (Much earlier in this timeline, because America does not need to spend troops in Africa and Europe), the Chinese will be able to supply Germany with raw materials and a population. I believe that in this alternative timeline the Soviet Union will be defeated and conquered, and than Great Britain. America will stop fighting after Japan is defeated, and Nazi Germany will win.


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[2] https://en.wikipedia.org...

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