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Alexander94
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The Contender
imabench
Con (against)
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13 Points

Holden Caulfield is a role model for the youth of our society

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/30/2011 Category: Society
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (2)
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Alexander94

Pro

This is my first debate. And im only trying to write on a controversial topic i believe in.

Holden Caulfield the character from the revolutionary book 'the catcher in the rye' is a character many of the youth society(like my self) believe in, this is due to the attitude he has towards fake and aggravating people. he does shows some disillusion and contrariety between his arguments but overall he is a revolutionary character many teenagers can relate too.

excuse the spelling and punctuation. thanks
imabench

Con

Holden Caulfield is far from a role model..... Here are some of his acts in the book "The Catcher in the Rye"

1) He is expelled from school because of very poor grades
2) Has an encounter with a prostitute in a hotel room that leads to him getting punched in the stomach by a pimp
3) Meets with his ex girlfriend and have a great time together
4) meets his ex and calls her a royal pain in the a$$
5) Ends up in a mental hospital
6) Tells the readers its bad to miss people

He is no role model
Debate Round No. 1
Alexander94

Pro

I did not say he was a good role model but yet he is a role model for young adults that can fully extract the meaning from the book.
1)He inspires teenagers to expres there mind in an educated way as he expresse's him self clearlly and direct.
2)He is not aggressive. unlike many other popular role models.
3)Comforts the young readers to love the people they are closeist to- his sister.
4)Truly expressise his true toughts on 'phoneys' who no one likes.
5)knows who he is.

genially inspiring guy!
imabench

Con

1) He doesnt do that in the book in any way
2) He rants about how he wanted to find the pimp and shoot him, he is very violent
3) the idea that he comforts readers is an opinion
4) He identifies EVERYONE as a phony, basically he hates all of society
5) If he knows who he is then why did he end up in a mental hospital?

The Pro admits Holden is not a good role model and I still fail to see how someone who hates society in general and makes bad choices is a role model for young adults...

Vote Con
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by imabench 5 years ago
imabench
lol i hated it too thats why i accepted the debate
Posted by 000ike 5 years ago
000ike
I hated this book. Excellent debate topic
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Vote Placed by wiploc 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro's arguments were refuted.
Vote Placed by GWindeknecht1 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con made much more convincing arguments,, however Alexander made sure most of his sentences had a period after them, so I gave him the Grammar points.
Vote Placed by F-16_Fighting_Falcon 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Resolution wasn't clearly defined. When I saw the words "role model," I assumed "good role model" as did Con. This is a reasonable assumption. The burden to define the resolution and clearly state their position falls on Pro. For this reason, Con gets the conduct vote. He refuted a position that he reasonably believed was what Pro was arguing against. The impact of his points also outweighed those of Pro's. When Pro clarified his position midway through the debate, Con refuted his new position.
Vote Placed by Man-is-good 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Sorry, but I fail to see a clear winner. Con might have spent a trifle too much on debating whether Caulfield was a GOOD role model, but Pro failed to prove that Holden Caulfield's behavior could be emulated or imitated, and his lists that describes Caulfield are too limited in showing that Caulfield's behavior can be emulated. In other words, failure to fulfill burden of proof and lack of address to topic...
Vote Placed by 000ike 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: The debate was about whether modern youths and teenagers could relate to Holden, not whether Holden was a good role model. In this regard, con did not address the resolution, and never made refutations, even after Pro clarified the meaning of the resolution. Arguments go to pro by default.
Vote Placed by OMGJustinBieber 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: This was a tough case for Pro. Once he admitted that Holden isn't really a positive role model the position basically collapsed.