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Homework is a waste of time

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Started: 11/25/2014 Category: Education
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ObjectivityIsAMust

Pro

I am debating that homework is a waste of time.

Rules:

1. First round is only for acceptance
2. Breaking the rule result in a loss.

Good luck.
Ja50n

Con

I await your arguments
Also, just as a reminder please define what u mean by homework
Debate Round No. 1
ObjectivityIsAMust

Pro

1. Homework is a mandatory exercise sheet assigned by the teacher that student must complete outside of class.

A students time is precious and therefore he has to allocate it wisely. When a student attempts to understand course material by reading the textbook, he is improving his ability to process linguistic information and to make lasting semantic memories. This is because, it build patterns in his mind on how to connecting the meanings of words. He can then use this skill set for other courses.

On the other hand, when he fills out an exercise sheet, he is only drilling the pattern that relate to that particular subject thereby only preparing for the test of that subject. Since he is not improving any practical skill set, the following years, he will struggle more with his new courses. Therefore, homework is ineffective in the longer run making it a waste of time.

However, doing mindless tedious work does not just take away from his academics, it also prevents him from using
this time to improve his social skills by socialising which he could give friends and romantic relationships. All of which, would help prepare him for life outside of school.

Developing his social skills will even help his career as it teaches him how to influence people.

In addition, when a student gets a career, he ends up using only a small portion of the knowledge that he learned at school. Therefore, what he mainly relies on is the previous skill sets that he acquired.

Students must also concern themselves with their health and doing unnecessary course takes away time that they could spend preparing healthy meals or exercising.
Ja50n

Con

I tend to disagree with your definition. Even though my definition is noticeably similar, the definition is more general than yours.
"schoolwork assigned to be done outside the classroom" (1)
This definition then expands to include not only worksheets that teachers have provided, but essays that are required to be written or questions from workbooks.

Rebuttals

"he is improving his ability to process linguistic information and to make lasting semantic memories. This is because, it build patterns in his mind on how to connecting the meanings of words. He can then use this skill set for other courses."
For some students this maybe the case, however, majority of students cannot simply memorize theories instantaneously unless these students have photographic memory. This is due to us only learning 10% of what we read after 3 days of reading the material. (2) we can only learn from using these skills in practical methods, for example, maths is applied practically through doing worksheets.

"On the other hand, when he fills out an exercise sheet, he is only drilling the pattern that relate to that particular subject thereby only preparing for the test of that subject. "
Drilling exercise sheets is sometimes essential when studying for tests. The aim of homework is to practice the theories learned in class and to cement that knowledge in the mind. It's also a time to find any flaws in your understandings and to work extra hard to thoroughly understand the concept.

"improve his social skills by socialising which he could give friends and romantic relationships."
As much as social skills can promote mental health and to find relationships, it is not essential towards a career. This is the prime reason why single-sex schools are created. It is to help students not get distracted by the opposite sex and to have a more career based education.

"Developing his social skills will even help his career as it teaches him how to influence people."
It is important to understand that people who are in different social classes (3) will tend to not socialize with each other. This is due to a higher social status and income. (eg you would not regularly see celebrities befriending the homeless.) The only way to influence people in a higher social class than you would be to befriend someone whose social status falls in between your social class and the social class you are planning to achieve. This often is very difficult to achieve as there are many few people that fall into that category.

"In addition, when a student gets a career, he ends up using only a small portion of the knowledge that he learned at school. Therefore, what he mainly relies on is the previous skill sets that he acquired."
High school is not designed for acquiring jobs, they are designed to give every student a broad knowledge of subjects. This is necessary in opening student's minds to subjects they haven't tried but might enjoy.

"Students must also concern themselves with their health and doing unnecessary course takes away time that they could spend preparing healthy meals or exercising."
That is not necessary due to many students being teenagers. Teenagers generally experience growth spurts at this age. This means that teenagers figure are not affected by eating excessively as most of that energy goes into fueling muscle growth and hormonal development.

Arguments
Homework is essential to a school child's life as it reinforces things learnt in class as many students only remember 10-20% of what teachers say in class after 3 days (2) , it is essential to engage in participatory activities such as homework as this increases the remembering rate to 65% after 3 days. (2)

By doing homework students will form good study habits, these study habits will eventually carry over to their jobs and careers which would then help them have a fruitful career. By doing homework students are continually promoting values such as dedication and persistence. These are essential for when obtaining jobs or for any task in life. So by doing homework you are not only promoting school work but habits that will ensure a bright future.

Homework also generally leads to better grades which then leads to a better grades when applying for separate colleges or universities. By dedicating time towards studying towards something, you are improving your chances of being accepted into a higher-caliber education facility which then leads to more career options. On the other hand socializing does not earn you higher grades as it does not directly contribute towards an improved education. This means that lower grades = more limiting options when choosing colleges of universities. This then leads to having to study for longer periods of time before transferring over to another field. This can simply be avoided by achieving a desirable final mark which then leads to a clear path without transfers to achieving your dream job.

I await my opponents arguments and wish him luck

(1) http://dictionary.reference.com...
(2) http://changingminds.org...
(3) http://ukdesperatehousewifeusa.files.wordpress.com...
Debate Round No. 2
ObjectivityIsAMust

Pro

Unrelated argument: "majority of students cannot simply memorize theories instantaneously"

-> I did not claim any student could do so. Instead, I stated that making the effort to process textual information improves ones ability to process language.

This claim is not made by a reliable source: "This is due to us only learning 10% of what we read after 3 days of reading the material"

Generalization: "we can only learn from using these skills in practical methods,for example, maths is applied practically through doing worksheets."

- The fact that math is currently taught by application does not prove that human can only learn using their skills in practical methods.

"Drilling exercise sheets is sometimes essential when studying for tests."

- I admitted that it prepares students for a specific test but countered that it does not apply to other subject or develop his thinking skill and therefore it is not the most effective method. An action can only be consider a waste of time by comparison to an other action.

"The aim of homework is to practice the theories learned in class and to cement that knowledge in the mind."

- Students may learn to apply the theoretical knowledge that they learned in class on an abstract word problem but that doesn't mean that it develops a deep understanding of the subject. Word problems simply reinforce a narrow versions of the information that the student learned which only serves to pass the upcoming text.

"It's also a time to find any flaws in your understandings and to work extra hard to thoroughly understand the concept."

-> The flaws that it demonstrates in your understanding are on the shallow level since they are only in relation to a narrow question. This is why test are not an accurate measure of fundamental understanding and therefore nor are exercises.

Argument does not address my point :"High school is not designed for acquiring jobs, they are designed to give every student a broad knowledge of subjects. This is necessary in opening student's minds to subjects they haven't tried but might enjoy."

-> My point was that students only remember a small portion of what they learn therefore it the skills set that they develop that mainly help them through life.

Therefore, this is not a criticism of teaching students a broad amount of knowledge but instead simply stating that the human mind filters out a lot of it. However, the amount you remember is proportional the amount of knowledge you were taught.

"That is not necessary due to many students being teenagers. Teenagers generally experience growth spurts at this age. This means that teenagers figure are not affected by eating excessively as most of that energy goes into fueling muscle growth and hormonal development"

-> I was taking about having more time to improve there health not figure. Also, stating that a teenager figure is not affected by eating excessively is a gross exaggeration. They have a higher metabolism but they can still become fat.
These arguments also don't rule out exercising as it is needed for muscle growth and overall health.

These claim are not based on a reliable source: "Homework is essential to a school child's life as it reinforces things learnt in class as many students only remember 10-20% of what teachers say in class after 3 days. (2) , it is essential to engage in participatory activities such as homework as this increases the remembering rate to 65% after 3 days."

"By doing homework students will form good study habits, these study habits will eventually carry over to their jobs and careers which would then help them have a fruitful career"

-> The same could be said about reading a textbook and writing down what one understood about the course material which develop the mind as well.

"By doing homework students are continually promoting values such as dedication and persistence. These are essential for when obtaining jobs or for any task in life. So by doing homework you are not only promoting school work but habits that will ensure a bright future."

-> Any studying system develops dedication and persistence therefore this argument is pointless.

"Homework also generally leads to better grades which then leads to a better grades when applying for separate colleges or universities. By dedicating time towards studying towards something, you are improving your chances of being accepted into a higher-caliber education facility which then leads to more career options."

-> This argument is bias, he uses the word homework instead of studying which would support both are cases.

"On the other hand socializing does not earn you higher grades as it does not directly contribute towards an improved education. This means that lower grades = more limiting options when choosing colleges of universities. This then leads to having to study for longer periods of time before transferring over to another field. This can simply be avoided by achieving a desirable final mark which then leads to a clear path without transfers to achieving your dream job."

-> Good social skills will give much more career advancement opportunities to person than graduating from a high university. To advance in the job market a person must be good at teamwork, not cause conflict in the workplace and have a good relationship with their boss. In addition, having contacts can be very beneficial on the job market and when upper management position open up, companies look for people who can achieve their quarterly goals and that takes people skills. Those who merely studying all the time will only be able to do office paper work or the technical aspect of their job.
Ja50n

Con

Unrelated argument: "majority of students cannot simply memorize theories instantaneously"
-> I did not claim any student could do so. Instead, I stated that making the effort to process textual information improves ones ability to process language.

If that is the case then your argument about linguistic skills is still irrelevant as it doesn't prove why homework is a waste of time.

" Students may learn to apply the theoretical knowledge that they learned in class on an abstract word problem but that doesn't mean that it develops a deep understanding of the subject. Word problems simply reinforce a narrow versions of the information that the student learned which only serves to pass the upcoming text."

http://www.colorincolorado.org...
This article seems to directly contradict your claims that word problems don't develop understandings of the topic. Also, please provide sources that prove your claim because im assuming that BOP rests on both sides of the debate.

"The flaws that it demonstrates in your understanding are on the shallow level since they are only in relation to a narrow question. This is why test are not an accurate measure of fundamental understanding and therefore nor are exercises."

Here's an example to demonstrate my point. If you were studying differences of perfect squares and you were to do 1 exercise but fail to do so, one would naturally assume that your understanding is not adequate. Now before you say that learning about difference of perfect squares is only shallow, the theory of differences of perfect squares will be useful in future tests as maths tends to be built on theories learnt previously to further develop an understanding. Also, when criticizing

"Any studying system develops dedication and persistence therefore this argument is pointless"
If any do please list them in your rebuttal because your refutation is incomplete without it

"Homework also generally leads to better grades which then leads to a better grades when applying for separate colleges or universities. By dedicating time towards studying towards something, you are improving your chances of being accepted into a higher-caliber education facility which then leads to more career options."
-> This argument is bias, he uses the word homework instead of studying which would support both are cases.

My apologies it was a typo, you can observe that the phrase " towards studying towards something" doesn't make sense. What i meant to say is that "By dedicating time towards homework..."

"-> Good social skills will give much more career advancement opportunities to person than graduating from a high university. To advance in the job market a person must be good at teamwork, not cause conflict in the workplace and have a good relationship with their boss. In addition, having contacts can be very beneficial on the job market and when upper management position open up, companies look for people who can achieve their quarterly goals and that takes people skills. Those who merely studying all the time will only be able to do office paper work or the technical aspect of their job."

Warning: rebuttals coming up in the next 3 paragraphs apply to the quote below!
I strongly disagree with this statement. Not only does this statement fit only a niche audience but it seems completely irrational. First of all, few promotions include upper management jobs. Sure, there might be hospitality jobs that offer promotions but in general for accounting business, law firms, health departments and chefs, to earn promotions in these jobs, people in charge would surely choose someone who is more skilled in the field with mediocre social skills over someone who has better social skills but is not as skilled in the job.

2nd of all (this applies to all sorts of jobs), employers attention will only be drawn if the employee is skilled in the job. examples include if someone is highly proficient at being a cashier, the employer will most likely pay attention to that person. This is not the same for someone who has high social skills as these social skills cannot be observed in the line of work. Thus the person with better technical skills will most likely receive a promotion over someone with high social skills and how do you ask, do you get these technical skills? By doing homework to advance in grades and have a higher understanding of the task then everyone else.

You'll have to bear with me with all these rebuttals of this one argument my opponent has made, but the quote "having contacts can be very beneficial on the job market and when upper management position open up," does not seem logical to me. Generally when upper management jobs open, they are looking for someone with experience. This means that you must have had a management job previously which is unlikely when you have good social skills. (same argument as above)

"Those who merely studying all the time will only be able to do office paper work or the technical aspect of their job"
This is false because those who don't have the technical caliber required for paper work or technical aspects would mean that they would likely receive jobs that are considered lower that office jobs because like i said before, it is very unlikely employers will hand you a management job straight on the spot.

"High school is not designed for acquiring jobs, they are designed to give every student a broad knowledge of subjects. This is necessary in opening student's minds to subjects they haven't tried but might enjoy."
This argument is relevant because it serves as a rebuttal for your argument of "In addition, when a student gets a career, he ends up using only a small portion of the knowledge that he learned at school. Therefore, what he mainly relies on is the previous skill sets that he acquired."

"These claim are not based on a reliable source: "Homework is essential to a school child's life as it reinforces things learnt in class as many students only remember 10-20% of what teachers say in class after 3 days. (2) , it is essential to engage in participatory activities such as homework as this increases the remembering rate to 65% after 3 days."

It is not enough just to say that they're based on a reliable source. You must prove to me that they are an unreliable source.

"This claim is not made by a reliable source: "This is due to us only learning 10% of what we read after 3 days of reading the material"

Same rebuttal as above.

"- The fact that math is currently taught by application does not prove that human can only learn using their skills in practical methods."

The quote from source 2 (http://changingminds.org...) explains a quote from a Chinese proverb stating that
"What I hear, I forget;
What I see, I remember;
What I do, I understand."
This quote is perfectly relevant and serves as a rebuttal towards your argument

Sorry for the late argument as i have exams and a bit busy atm
Debate Round No. 3
ObjectivityIsAMust

Pro

ObjectivityIsAMust forfeited this round.
Ja50n

Con

extend arguments, I hope objectivity responds in round 5
Debate Round No. 4
ObjectivityIsAMust

Pro

As I stated in the comment section, I forfeited the round because I was studying for my schools finals. I apologies for wasting a round and hope this last round makes up for it.
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"If that is the case then your argument about linguistic skills is still irrelevant as it doesn't prove why homework is a waste of time."

-> By improving his linguistic skills the student is developing an ability he will use on multiple subjects, including future ones. By contrast, homework is solely subject-specific and therefore by comparison a waste of time.

Logically something can only be qualified as a waste of time by comparison. For example, merely sitting on a couch is only a waste of time because their are more proactive activity that would suit one interest better.

The article is about tests not homework: "http://www.colorincolorado.org...... This article seems to directly contradict your claims that word problems don't develop understandings of the topic. Also, please provide sources that prove your claim because im assuming that BOP rests on both sides of the debate."

-> Test and homework are different because of the subject that they cover and the time-frame in which they are given. Before assigning homework, the teacher will show the students how to methodically solution a problem step by step. Then students will take a practice sheet, homework, and practice the step they learn in class. They do not need to fully understand the subtleties of the word problems but merely to copy what they learned in class.

-> A test, however, is given far later in the semester and covers much more material. Therefore, to know where he has to apply the distinct skills that he has learned in his courses he need more fundamental understanding. This is why reading the textbook is more important as it will give the student the rational behind the course material thus making it easier for him distinguish the different problems.

-> In addition, this article is about the problems that ESL student have with word problems. Which shows how crucial linguistics skills are in solving problems.

"It is not enough just to say that they're based on a reliable source. You must prove to me that they are an unreliable source.

-> You source is not academic, it just a random website you found by looking for something to supports your perspectives on the internet. One this websites two sources is "Dale E. 1969. Cone of experience, in Educational Media: Theory into Practice" which is a 45 year old article about how to put a PAST theory in practice. It is not putting a theory forth or testing it but merely assuming it to be true. Another point is that psychometrics is one of the youngest and most underdeveloped academic field. So a 45 year old article about an assumed past theory is not a reliable source.

->The other source is "Joyce B and B Showers. 1981. Transfer of training: the contributions of coaching. Journal of Education 163(2): 163"172.". This has nothing to do with classroom learning....

It is too time consuming to disprove random articles that people find on the internet. Therefore, the BoP of reliability of the link should rest on those who post them.
Ja50n

Con

"-> By improving his linguistic skills the student is developing an ability he will use on multiple subjects, including future ones. By contrast, homework is solely subject-specific and therefore by comparison a waste of time."

Your point does not solely disprove the relation between homework and linguistic skills. If a maths word problem was given to a student. He would have to use his linguistic skills to properly diferrentiate what the problem wanted him to solve. Thus he can further use this skill to apply this to a variety of subjects such as science and comprehension.

"Then students will take a practice sheet, homework, and practice the step they learn in class. They do not need to fully understand the subtleties of the word problems but merely to copy what they learned in class."

One must have an understanding of the underlying theories of the problem. For example, 1+1= 2 requires you to have an understanding of addition and numerical values. If homework is not designed to teach students theories. They are designed to apply theories in class and apply them practically, which is a vital skill to be learnt.

"-> You source is not academic, it just a random website you found by looking for something to supports your perspectives on the internet."
Changeminds is an organisation, this itself should add some credibility to the quote. As i cannot verify that the 2 sources u state are accurate (my browser does not seem to want to open the page) Your opinion about psychometrics being unreliable should be backed with a valid source to prove that its invalid. The quote is actually from William Glasser, a qualified American psychiatrist. (2) A psychiatrist quotes are still relevant as the quote refers to the brains capacity to process and store information when looking through books.(1)

"One this websites two sources is "Dale E. 1969. Cone of experience, in Educational Media: Theory into Practice" which is a 45 year old article about how to put a PAST theory in practice. It is not putting a theory forth or testing it but merely assuming it to be true."

As you have not put any sources forward disproving the theory, the theory itself is still sound.

"This is why reading the textbook is more important as it will give the student the rational behind the course material thus making it easier for him distinguish the different problems."
As I've said before in previous rounds, you are assuming that students will simply memorize and understand the theory just by reading the concept in a textbook. This theory is backed by the quote from WIlliam Glasser.

Conclusion
Opponents arguments
Homework is a waste of time because:
A students time is better spent doing other things then doing homework
Their time is better spent developing social skills.
Students only use a small portion of their knowledge in the workforce

My arguments
Homework isn't a waste of time because:
It helps put theories into practical activities.
Doing homework leads to better grades which then leads to better job
Reinforces good perseverance habits

My successfully rebutted points included
Social skills do not contribute to a better job
A student's time is better spent doing homework over other activities (such as healthy eating)

Shout out to my opponent who respectfully debated his topic and (with the exception of the forefeit) a very intriguing debate.

(1) http://thinkexist.com...
(2) https://www.google.com.au...
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Ja50n 2 years ago
Ja50n
I'm guessing your forefieting round 5 as well?
Posted by Ja50n 2 years ago
Ja50n
ok, i understand because i just finished mine as well.
Posted by ObjectivityIsAMust 2 years ago
ObjectivityIsAMust
Sorry about forfeiting the 4 round, it's because of final term exams.
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