Homosexual Relationships Are Wrong
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There will be three rounds.
Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Reason 1, Supports, Rebuttals
Round 3: Reason 2, Supports, Rebuttals
Round 4: Reason 3, Supports, Rebuttals
Please be friendly and respectful. Thank you, and good luck!
I am in fact a Christian, and though that is the main reason behind my beliefs, I also have other reasons not relating to religion, and will bring those up instead since I find it to be a better way to debate, since you obviously aren't a Christian and bringing up Christian beliefs isn't necessarily effective in this circumstance. I will first compose my main reason, and then move on to rebut your points.
REASON 1: Homosexual Relationships are biologically unnatural and ineffective.
If, for the point of this specific argument, we were to remove emotions from the point of marriage, the only reason people do, in fact, get married, is to procreate. (or in simpler terms, to have babies) If no couple had any babies, the outcome is simple: the human race would eventually die off. Even when two gay men use a surrogate mother to have a child, or two lesbians get a sperm donation, the baby created is still from a man and a woman. So, biologically, what is the point of gay marriage/gay couples? There is none.
REBUTTALS: In your argument you made the statement, "Are you even sure where it says that homosexuality is wrong?" and then went on to tell me where it was wrong, therefore contradicting yourself. In other words, yes, I do know where it says it is wrong. You just told me! :) You then went on to assure me that homosexuality is "entirely natural." I am prepared to show you it isn't, with one statement: Same sex genitalia don't, I guess you could say, "go together" the same way opposite sex genitalia do. I am referring to sex when I say go together. You might go on to rebut my argument on this, saying that when two gay men are together, they can do anal. May I remind you that the biological reason for sex and marriage is to procreate? All you get when two gay men have sex is a big, poopy (literally) mess. On to your next point about animal homosexuality. First of all, we are talking about human relationships here, so this is technically a invalid point. Still, I will rebut it because I know that is probably up for debate. You made the statement in your argument that "not to say that humans are any more special." Than animals? So what you are saying is that you are equal to dogs, horses, snakes, monkeys, pigs, etc. I beg to differ. Humans are far more superior in reasoning and in many other things. That is probably why humans have animals in zoos and animals don't have humans in zoos. (Keep in mind here that I do love animals, they just are not equal to us) And as for the science disproving my "illogical" disposition of homosexuals, well, read my Reason 1. And later 2 and 3. I am pretty sure every scientist can agree that we need to keep the human race alive. I will skip past your dig at Christians and Christianity, since I find no reason to defend myself. But let me just say this to clear something up: there are many Christians who hate, and I mean HATE, homosexuals. I am not one of them. I have gay friends. Yes, yes I know, one of those evil Christians has gay friends? Mind blowing. Well, it shouldn't be. The Christians who hate gay people are wrong. God tells us to love everyone. But, there is a difference between loving everyone and agreeing with everyone's lifestyles and beliefs. If one of my gay friends were to be mocked, or bullied or anything similar, I would not hesitate to stand up for them. That doesn't mean I agree with being gay though. And finally, your last point is that God says other things are wrong as well. You are right. You also stated that many Christians do things that God states are wrong. You are correct there as well. But your point is not a valid one. That is like saying, "A murder is not wrong because people rape as well." You see what I am getting at? I am running out of characters so I must finish, but I want to thank you again for partaking in this debate with me. Best of luck in the last rounds!
Reason 1: Homosexual relationships are natural, as they have existed, and continue to exist in the natural world.
As I stated, I do believe that homosexual relationships are entirely natural, as they have existed, and continue to exist in the natural world. One could interpret such a thing in a few different ways, but I believe that anything that has not been set down or built by man, both figuratively and literally, is thereby natural. It has been proven that homosexuality is a defect, and such things occur in various forms all the time, be it birthing complications, or otherwise damage as a fetus, or damage set prior to conception. With this in mind, I stand by my reasoning that homosexuality is natural. Here below, I shall rebut your side of this debate.
Rebuttals: In your side of this debate, you claim that the reason humans will marry is to procreate. You say this putting all emotional attachment aside, but one cannot simply take that out of any marital scenario, for not every marriage is to conceive. Some people such as myself, do not have a monogamous relation in mind as a priority, especially to conceive children. Recently, I have indeed found myself leaning towards being polygamous, which is the unpopular choice of life among most individuals, however it is my choice of being. If circumstances permit, I could indeed settle down with a woman after the height of my life has passed on, however I would not desire children.
Biologically, if one turns a lustful eye to a beautiful woman, in all actuality being attracted to an individual would mean that there is a desire to conceive children with them. The idea of marriage is entirely self imposed, and its standards have evolved to fit accordingly to the modern world as it changes. With all of this stated, your ideal of all marriages being to procreate for the sake of this debate is redundant. You are correct that if no one had children, the human race would die off. Thank God that most people are heterosexual.
However, in your case, you view homosexual relations as pointless, but they cannot deny themselves. They cannot help what they like and dislike. This is why it is not a choice. To say that it is, would be like me asking you when you decided to be straight. But when did you decide to be straight? Of course, this is rhetorical, and on that note, the questions asked in my previous text were rhetorical as well. I didn't expect you to know or not know of the scriptural locations of verses on the subject of homosexuality.
You are partially correct in that same sex genitalia don't 'go together' as well as opposite sex genitalia do, however this should be better left off untouched. Though sexual procedures in gay or lesbian sex do not occur in the same way as straight sex do, that does not make it any less right. Sex is simply what it is, no matter who it is with.
We are in fact equivalent to that of other animals, though we are the most intelligent of all species in the animal kingdom, to deny that we are animals is asinine. It is the ideal that humans are better than any other animal that I will refuse to accept.
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