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phatso86
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Ragnar_Rahl
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Homosexuality - a lifestyle AND a "non-choice"?

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Started: 10/12/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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phatso86

Con

i'm not sure if this counts as a debate but here goes:

can the homosexuality be a lifestyle while at the same time not be a choice?
is this not self-contradicting?
I only question this because homosexuals never seem to defend this "stance" correctly, and by "correct" i mean having a basis on reality.
Perhaps it is my line of reasoning that is flawed, but here how i logically see it:
lifestyle - a self proclaimed choice, hence perversion
non-choice = either mental(psychological) or physical (biological/synaptic/chemical/etc.) disorder

it seemed to me that if you can't control it, then it is not a lifestyle; if you chose it, then it is not natural. It seems like homosexuality can't be neither and nor can it be both. So which is it?

(this debate is NOT about whether being gay is a disorder, so leave it out please)
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

Breathing is a "lifestyle," engaged in by some forms of life (humans for example) and not by others (certain microbes for example), and also not something one essentially has a choice about. Obviously, it's not much of a contradiction then.

Lifestyle means simply that- the way in which life is gone about, the mode of living, the style of life (http://dictionary.reference.com...). It is entirely possible for life to be gone about feeling attractions to members of the same sex, and for that attraction to be unchosen.

Since the debate is about whether it's possible (i.e. non self-contradictory and not otherwise disproven,) and not about whether it's actually true..
Debate Round No. 1
phatso86

Con

lifestyle - a manner of living that reflects the person's values and attitudes
- the typical way of life of an individual, group, or culture
- A style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group
- the way that you live

style:
▸ noun: a particular kind (as to appearance) ("This style of shoe is in demand")
▸ noun: editorial directions to be followed in spelling and punctuation and capitalization and typographical display
▸ noun: a way of expressing something (in language or art or music etc.) that is characteristic of a particular person or group of people or period ("All the reporters were expected to adopt the style of the newspaper")
▸ noun: how something is done or how it happens ("In the characteristic New York style")
▸ noun: the popular taste at a given time ("The 1920s had a style of their own")
▸ verb: designate by an identifying term ("They styled their nation `The Confederate States'")
▸ verb: make consistent with a certain fashion or style ("Style my hair")

your whole arguement was based on your idea that a lifestyle based on a choice, sadly by looking at all these definitions given above, it is clear that reality is on my side

..shucks i only made this 2 rounds, now we just wasted the whole debate on the meaning of the word "lifestyle"

maybe i can partially answer this myself

the (un)natural derise isnt the choice, while the perverse action IS the choice
..but then again the title wasnt refering to any single aspect
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

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your whole arguement was based on your idea that a lifestyle based on a choice"
Nope, it is based on the idea that that is NOT necessarily the case.

"sadly by looking at all these definitions given above, it is clear that reality is on my side"
ALL the definitions had the word "choice" in them? News to me.

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the (un)natural derise isnt the choice, while the perverse action IS the choice"

Homosexuality is the desire, according to the American Psycholigical Assocation definition (it's not unnatural, look at dolphins!) The "perverse" action is called sodomy, not homosexuality :D.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Wanting to ingest or doiother unhealthy things with feces is inherent to the definition of coprophilia. While a few others out there may do such things, they are very few indeed.

Wanting anal sex is not inherent to the definition of homosexuality (http://g0ys.org...), and though homosexuals are more likely to engage in it, overall homosexuals are a minority of those who do.
Posted by phasto86 8 years ago
phasto86
beating around the bush again!

"And since when do all gays have sex that way? Or only gays for that matter?"

since when do all coprophiles ingest feces? or only coprophiles for that matter?
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
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so you should know that the muscles of the anus, unlike a vagina, is exit only"
And since when do all gays have sex that way? Or only gays for that matter?
Posted by holyyakker 8 years ago
holyyakker
Man, if only the debate had been set up to be more than 2 rounds this bantering could have been a part of the formal debate process.
Posted by phasto86 8 years ago
phasto86
oh i see, rather than forming a reasonable argument, i am reported?
thats funny

"my calculator give me 5 for 2+2
i consider this to be dysfunctional"
So do I, a calculator that doesn't do it's job is a problem
Not really. You can be homosexual and most likely still do your job :D."

calculator - for math
sex organs - for procreation

ah, it does NOT do its job
one more try?

"Um... health issues, health issues, health issues and getting mauled by the occasional animal. Poo is bad for you (full of germs), corpses are bad for you (full of germs and nasty embalming stuff), and zoophilia is quite possibly how AIDS wound up in humans in the first place (Someone died as a result of certain activities with a horse a few years ago in Washington, too...)

Non-promiscous homosexuality, on the other hand, comes with no such inherent issues."

i see that you have "some college" experience
so you should know that the muscles of the anus, unlike a vagina, is exit only
look it up, and you'll find that ramming things in your anus can lead to "health issues"

"Protection comes from the embalming process by way of the fact that the body is hygienically treated and this kills bacteria and viruses, therefore greatly reducing the risk of cross infection."
you're ignorant

" Poo is bad for you (full of germs)"
yeah? so is eating STD filled cum
the amount of germs poo has depends on the person, just like the type of stds in cum also depends on the person

"zoophilia is quite possibly how AIDS wound up in humans in the first place (Someone died as a result of certain activities with a horse a few years ago in Washington, too...)"
'quite possibly' doesnt quite cut it
there is also such as thing as a prophylactic
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
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my calculator give me 5 for 2+2
i consider this to be dysfunctional"
So do I, a calculator that doesn't do it's job is a problem.

"no? ok, so you logic fails
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Not really. You can be homosexual and most likely still do your job :D.

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(bty neither coprophilia, necrophilia, nor zoophilia significantly impair's one's life,"
Um... health issues, health issues, health issues and getting mauled by the occasional animal. Poo is bad for you (full of germs), corpses are bad for you (full of germs and nasty embalming stuff), and zoophilia is quite possibly how AIDS wound up in humans in the first place (Someone died as a result of certain activities with a horse a few years ago in Washington, too...)

Non-promiscous homosexuality, on the other hand, comes with no such inherent issues.
Posted by phatso86 8 years ago
phatso86
"In order to classify something as a disorder, you have to prove that it significantly impair's one's life"

my calculator give me 5 for 2+2
i consider this to be dysfunctional
either the algorithm or something else must not be in order, hence it is in disorder

are you here to argue against that?
no? ok, so you logic fails

try again

(bty neither coprophilia, necrophilia, nor zoophilia significantly impair's one's life, hence they are equally as valid of a behavior as homosexuality, thus your argument would have failed anyways)
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
In order to classify something as a disorder, you have to prove that it significantly impair's one's life.
Posted by phatso86 8 years ago
phatso86
better examples:
coprophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, pedophilia

if one is to assume one paraphilia is natural (homosexuality) then all of them should too
you know, since the desire is not chosen (like you have already proven to me), thus is complete natural
Posted by phatso86 8 years ago
phatso86
It's more comparable to race- an uncontrollable characteristic which can naturally go either way... it's fully functional and entirely natural (again see penguins, dolphins, dogs, for example :D)

its also natural for animals to eat their dung, children, etc
but like homosexuality, it is dysfunctional
oh yeah, and cancer is also "natural"
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