Homosexuality has Little to No Correlation to Pedophillia
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I will be debating with stephannoi, an individual who believes that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked, possibly genetically. If this debate goes well, I may consider another debate with him, and I look forward to a lively debate.
This debate is open voting, select winner. BoP is on me.
R1- Acceptance/reason for acceptance, if desired
R2- Arguments. To clairify, nothing can be refuted in this round.
R3- Refutations. No arguments, just refutations.
R4- Conclusions. No new arguments.
Homosexuality- being attracted to one's own sex
Pedophilia- sexual desire in an adult for a child
My reason for making this debate is fairly obvious, I am gay, and am adamantly opposed to pedophilia and am personally insulted by the accusation of homosexuals being tied to pedophilia.
This is not a debate on if homosexuality is good or bad, natural or unnatural, a mental disorder or not a mental disorder. I ask that any attempts to make it a debate on any one of these be ignored.
Good luck to my opponent, and I look forward to a good, lively, complete debate.
According to recently study Archive Sexual behaviour publish by a sexologist Blanchard
Point to the fact that 80% of homo/bi sexual men are pedophile.
Anyway pedophile and homosexual are among the most Society hatred people.
In Saudi arabia for example they could be executed or beheaded.
Well, I found a report that says that 80% of pedophiles are gay/bisexual, but this has nothing to say that 80% of homosexuals or bisexuals are pedophiles. Anyway, my source debunks it and contains an excerpt from what I believe you got your source from.
You argued that pedophilia is a sexual orientation in one of your debates.
So, can you have two sexual orientations? The logical answer is no.
From my source (http://www.dailykos.com...)
"Fischer cites a study that says 86% of men who molest boys identify themselves as gay or bisexual with no breakdown of gay or bisexual perpetrators. The study Fischer references is strongly criticized by the consensus of experts in this field. The paper he's referencing is Erickson et al. (1988). Behavior patterns of child molesters. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 17, 77-86. The paper does claim in passing that 86% of molesters of boys identified as gay or bisexual, but the paper does not describe how this data was gathered, and how it ascertained the sexual orientation of these men."
So, there is no way to determine HOW this data was obtained, and it is both phrased incorrectly, and there is no way to determine the validity of an argument that has no source backing it up.
And, many pedophiles assault boys. Does that make them gay? No more than it makes a homosexual who has a heterosexual life heterosexual. Same source.
"Pedophiles are attracted, primarily, to children. The sex of those children matter less than that they are children. The sex of victim has more to do with access than sexual orientation."
In the book Mental Disorders of the New Millennium (2006), author and psychology professor Thomas Plante writes:
"Although the majority of clergy abuse victims are males, homosexuality cannot be blamed. First, many of the pedophile priests report that they are not homosexual. This is also true of many non-clergy sex offenders who victimize boys. Many report that they target boys for a variety of reasons that include easier access to boys ... pregnancy fears with female victims ... homosexuals in general have not been found to be more likely to commit sexual crimes against minors compared to heterosexuals. Sexual orientation is not predictive of sex crimes "
And, then there's this
Typologies of offenders have often included a distinction between those with an enduring primary preference for children as sexual partners and those who have established age-appropriate relationships but become sexually involved with children under unusual circumstances of extreme stress. Perpetrators in the first category " those with a more or less exclusive interest in children " have been labeled fixated. Fixation means "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 176). Many clinicians view fixated offenders as being "stuck" at an early stage of psychological development.
By contrast, other molesters are described as regressed. Regression is "a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature behavior was actually manifested earlier in the individual's development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 177). Regressed offenders have developed an adult sexual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and engage in sexual contact with children.
Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..."
And they tried YET AGAIN. And they failed.
"In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners.
The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989)."
Same source. Therefore, all scientific evidence states that homosexuals have no predisposition to pedophilia, and your own debate says pedophilia is a sexual orientation.
So, at the risk of violating my own rules, my opponent cites an incorrect statistic, rephrased from a paper from 1921, that has no credibility and no sources backing it up.
I now pass the buck to Con
http://www.debate.org...) that pedophilia is no longer considered a mental illness. You can't have it both ways. In fact, nervousness was seen as a disorder in those days. modern psychology has found multiple errors in DSM-I. This was before the pseudopatient experiments, which found many issues determining mental disorders and mentally ill from mentally stable, which took place under DSM-II.
So, you want to have pedophilia declassified as a disorder and classified a sexuality, but homosexuality, declassified as a disorder almost 40 years prior, is not a sexuality, but a disease?
And, you expect criminals to obey laws preventing them from sexually abusing someone because of laws? Correlation does not equal connection. If ice cream sales go up, and pizza sales go up, are they linked?
Marriage and cohabiting suppose to be consist between adult male and adult female.Same-sex sexual intercourse is unnatural because your anus is not design for having sex,this could increase the change of sexual transmitted disease.Pedophile is unnatural as well because children are not physical mature for child bearing.Pregnancy complication death among adolescent girls are much more greater risk than older woman,
According to one study by kolarsky and colleague 54 examined the relationship between 'sexual deviation' age of lesion onset and localisation of lesion.It has been shown that homosexual has been link to frontal lobe injury which would be one reason why to be classified homosexual as a mental disorder and sexual deviation.It is also included pedophile as well.http://www.conservapedia.com...
Firstly, let's dissect his rebuttal.
"Anyway homosexual and pedophile are among hatred group by most people.Saudi arabia,and iran permit public execution for homosexual and pedophile." (sic)
This is irrelevant, as it does not show a reliable link between pedophilia and homosexuality, just that they are hated in certain countries.
" Marriage and cohabiting suppose to be consist between adult male and adult female.Same-sex sexual intercourse is unnatural because your anus is not design for having sex,this could increase the change of sexual transmitted disease.Pedophile is unnatural as well because children are not physical mature for child bearing.Pregnancy complication death among adolescent girls are much more greater risk than older woman" (sic)
Opinion. Irrelevant to the resolution.
" According to one study by kolarsky and colleague 54 examined the relationship between 'sexual deviation' age of lesion onset and localisation of lesion.It has been shown that homosexual has been link to frontal lobe injury which would be one reason why to be classified homosexual as a mental disorder and sexual deviation.It is also included pedophile as well" (Sic)
Okay, use Spell Check!
Second, this is the third consecutive round he has committed an attack on homosexuals and broke the rules of the debate. Thus, this is rendered null and void by the rules regarding such insults. He attempts to connect separate things with a not so subtle forgery and connects pedophilia to homosexuality via "brain injury" which was banned in the first round.
My argument stands, I have proved that homosexuality is not a mental disorder, which was not my intent using that source, but was necessary, as well as prove that pedophilia is not connected to homosexuality. My opponent twisted an already incorrect statistic by claiming that 80% of all homosexuals are pedophiles, when his statistic was the other way around, debunked in R2.
My arguments stand, and are almost uncontested. Rules were violated in every round, and was insulted in the comments, my opponent resorted to ad hominim and straw mans, and poorly constructed ones at that.
For all these reasons, vote Pro.
Once again, my opponent and I MUST waive the last round. Any arguments made in that round are to be ignored in the interest of fairness.
1.Male account for 25 and 35 percent of child sex abuse victims.
2.The Gay report publish by homosexual researches Jay and Young in 1973 revealed that 73 percent of homosexual surveyed had sex with boys age 16 to 19 or even younger.
3.National Association for research and therapy for homosexual states :,,since homosexual pedophile victimize far more children than heterosexual it estimate that 80 percent of pedophile victims are boys
4.Dr Paul Cameroon found following :
153 pederast sexually molested 22,981 boys over an average period of 22 years in comparison
224 pedophile molested an average of 150 boys and each heterosexual pedophile molested an average 20 girls a ratio of 7.5 to one.
According to Baldwin Report :
1.Journal of Homosexuality entitled :
Male integenerational intimacy Contain many articles portraying Sex between boys and men as loving relationship.Parent should look upon pedophile as someone who love their son not as a competitor or rival or a thieve.
2.National Lesbian Gay task force support abolish age of consent argue that children are sexual being since from birth .
3.Peter tatchell,a gay activist and human right campaigner argue :
It might be impossible to condone pedophile but it time Society have to acknowledge that adult-child Sex is not always abusive,harmful and unwanted.
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Vote Placed by DeuceKaboose 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro used proper sources, cited them adequately and actually followed the rules
Vote Placed by MissLuLu 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con did not follow rules, and used outdated and incorrect sources.
Vote Placed by Foodiesoul 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con breaks lots of rules, just like Pro stated. Con does not even bother to use proper grammar and punctuation, which makes Con's arguments very hard to understand. Pro strictly stated that no new arguments can be used in round 4 but Con still used new arguments in Round 4. Pro had more intelligent arguments than Con because unlike Con, Pro used proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation, and also used enough evidence to refute Con's arguments.
Vote Placed by Phenenas 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro gives a good, well-worded argument backed by numerous studies that debunk the supposed connection towards same-sex love and lust toward children. Con spends half the debate stressing how bad homosexuality is, which is off-topic and therefore misconduct. They blatantly break Pro's rule against debating the morality and mental stability of gay people, use almost exclusively faulty sources, and gave an argument in the final round when Pro made it clear that they would both waive it. Overall, Con showed very little respect for their opponent, had subpar spelling and grammar, and gave poor arguments. There is no contest: Pro is the winner.
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