The Instigator
bsh1
Con (against)
Winning
7 Points
The Contender
Ajabi
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points

Homosexuality in Humans is a Choice

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bsh1
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Started: 2/20/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,739 times Debate No: 70431
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (134)
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bsh1

Con

Preface

Ajab and I have discussed this several times before, and I feel, at this point, it is important to debate this directly. This debate was sparked by this thread: [http://www.debate.org...] I sincerely hope Ajab accepts, as he was the one who suggested this debate was necessary.

As this issue is one that is particularly controversial, I have made this a judge only debate. The judges are phantom, Raisor, Wylted, Cermank, thett3, debatability, and whiteflame. If Ajab objects to any of these judges, or wishes to add judges, he may PM me beforehand.

Full Topic

On balance, human same-sex attraction is a choice.

Terms

Same-Sex Attraction - having a sexual attraction to people of the same sex
Choice - based or caused from features which one has no control over, and which cannot be willfully undone or willfully changed over time
Free - the ability to make choices without coercion, fate, or some other factor forcing or preordaining the outcome
On balance - with all things considered.

Rules

1. No forfeits
2. Any citations or foot/endnotes must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final round
4. Maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling or semantics
6. My opponent accepts all definitions and waives his/her right to add definitions
7. Pro must go first and must waive in the final round
8. No "kritiks" of the topic or its set-up
9. Violation of any of these rules or of any of the R1 set-up merits a loss

Structure

R1. Pro's Case
R2. Con's Case, Pro rebuts Con's Case
R3. Con rebuts Pro's Case, Pro defends Pro's Case
R4. Con defends Con's Case, Pro rebuts Con's Case
R5. Con rebuts Pro's Case, Pro waives

Thanks...

...to Ajab and I hope he accepts.
Ajabi

Pro

I apologize I have to skip the first round.
Debate Round No. 1
bsh1

Con

Ajab requested that I delay posting for 48 hours. I've done that.

I would ask the judges not to award Ajab an auto-loss due to his forfeiture, but to instead grant him a second chance to post his constructive. Given the shortened debate however, the structure should be amended to the following:

R2. Pro's Case
R3. Con's Case, Pro rebuts Con's Case
R4. Con rebuts Pro's Case, Pro defends Pro's Case
R5. Con defends Con's Case, Pro waives

I feel it is important that the person making the claim be the one to open arguments, and also, per rule 7, Pro must go first. So, I will not be making any arguments at this time and will instead defer. Over to Pro...
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
bsh1

Con

At this point, it's too late to have a debate. Please enforce rules 1 and 9.
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
bsh1

Con

Per rules 1 and 9, please vote Con.
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
134 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
Homosexuality is amoral, Ajab. To say anything else reveals the level of closed-minded bigotry you have.
Posted by Ajabi 1 year ago
Ajabi
I already answered this. Firstly color is something amoral, while homosexuality is immoral and foul.
Secondly color is a state, homosexuality is an act.
^ False analogy fallacy
Posted by TUF 1 year ago
TUF
Ajabi, if the bakers refused service to someone of color due to religious beliefs, would you still feel defensive over the bakers?
Posted by Ajabi 1 year ago
Ajabi
That was in bad taste, sorry.
The comparison is that they both tend to eliminate any and all opposition. Not unlike religious groups. Of course they don't kill, but they use public pressure, humiliation, and censure. They force themselves down poor bakers' throats.
Posted by Ajabi 1 year ago
Ajabi
There's every comparison. Oh yes well I guess Hitler was more honorable than the LGBTs. Yups thats a difference.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
It's not Hitlerian. There's just no comparison.
Posted by Ajabi 1 year ago
Ajabi
LGBT's action of fining the bakers was Hitlerian in its form*.
I hate being misquoted.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
@TUF - Rofl. Very true.
Posted by TUF 1 year ago
TUF
"LGBT is Hitlerian and seeks to eliminate and censure any opposition." - Ajabi, aka, weekly stupid material.
Posted by BLAHthedebator 1 year ago
BLAHthedebator
I'd rather lose an interesting discussion rather than get elo for a full forfeit... unless I intend to noob-snipe :P
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Wylted 1 year ago
Wylted
bsh1Ajabi
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