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Homosexuality is a Choice

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Started: 11/28/2016 Category: People
Updated: 6 days ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Bishop1889

Pro

The first round will be acceptance and presentation of your arguments. Stray away from rebuttals until the second and third rounds, first establish your thesis and position, then refute your opponent. Make sure to cite your sources.

Arguments and Position:

1. Several scientific studies in the Unites States and Europe, such as UCLA's study on identical twin brother, spearheaded by scientists from the David Geffen School of Medicine discovered that methylation, a form of DNA modification, in certain regions of the genome differed between homosexual and heterosexual identical twin brothers. What they did not find were the elusive "gay genes." [1] No singular gene makes someone homosexual, ergo, our personal biology does not dictate our sexual prefrences.

2. The human X and Y chromosomes have been completely sequenced and mapped. Gene maps, sequenced in the human genome project, could not find any "gay" gene in the genetic structure of 153 million (X) and 50 Million (Y) pairs. [2]
gdirulez

Con

I do not believe homosexuality is a choice and these are my reasons as to why.

Argument #1: Look at it logically, does choosing to be homosexual make sense? when you look at how homosexuals are treated this would be a clear no, some are killed which is even LEGAL to do making it even more stupid to be gay (https://www.washingtonpost.com...), besides that it also makes school significantly more difficult as you have to hide who you are most of the time for if you do not you will be a prime target to be bullied by allot of people and will most likely not have friends, the results of all this is that LGBT are up to 8 times more likely to commit suicide.

Argument #2: Look at nature, animals live by instinct do they not? and yet homosexuality has been found in over 500 species(https://en.wikipedia.org...) so clearly no choice was made.

My apologies if I did not respond in the correct format, this is my first time partaking.
Debate Round No. 1
Bishop1889

Pro

Thank-you for your arguments, I will now resort to rebuttals. For the next round, I ask that you attempt to argue against my points made in the first round, then make further arguments or rebuttals in the third and final round.

1. People are treated differently for their beliefs or identities all the time. In fact, progressive leftism is by far the most mainstream ideology in North America, and the fact of the matter is that homosexuals are not just accepted, but praised in twenty-first century society. In Canada, 80% of the population supports homosexuality, and 60% do in the United States [1]

2. Animals have no sense of morality whatsoever. Unlike humans, animals have no sexual conscience with regards towards right and wrong, or natural or unnatural. This debate is about homosexual humans, not "homosexual" animals.

[1] http://www.pewglobal.org...
gdirulez

Con

1.Since the source you mention leads me to the general website I've tried to find the latest article on gay gene(https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org...) it claims it cannot be said there exists a gay gene as it has not been proven however it does say 'it is tempting to claim that this study is concrete proof that sexual orientation is entirely genetic. To say so would be simplistic and, well, wrong. But it does constitute evidence that homosexuality has a biological basis.'

2. The source mentioned(TrueOrigin) makes claims about the 'twins study' that if there was a gay gene both twins would always be gay and since that is not the case it does not exist however genes can be 'inactive' (http://medicalxpress.com...) so it is therefore still possible for both twins to have a possible 'gay gene' but have it simply be inactive.
Debate Round No. 2
Bishop1889

Pro

I apologise for the late response, and the issue with the source.

As previously stated, in the complete genetic map of human biological structure, a specific homosexual gene is non-existent. You argue that homosexuality may have a genetic or biological origin, however, fail to identify what this origin entails, or its effects on sexuality and mental health. Theoretically, if this gene existed, there is still no evidence to suggest that it would make someone "gay". The effects could trigger a mental disorder, which homosexuality was actually classified as until the mid 1970's when the gay rights movement suppressed the search for a cure [1]. However, if this gene cannot be located specifically, after decades or research, it makes it clear that even if homosexuality was a disorder, it would be a very rare or uncommon disorder. Just look at the numbers, in our society, it is a choice.

[1] http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com...
gdirulez

Con

Naturally I cannot explain what this gene may possibly entail or cause because the genetics study does not even know as they merely explain that it is POSSIBLE a gene exists that can alter your sexual orientation so until further research is conducted it cannot be said it does or does not cause changes in sexuality.

Homosexuality has indeed be removed as a mental disorder as there has been no scientific evidence that it is a disorder (http://psychology.ucdavis.edu...) and because it is not a mental disorder, nor does it distress the person, there is no reason to search for a cure.

Your argument now is that because the numbers are low it is a choice and that is your only argument, which holds no value, same could be said for allot of diseases, for example only 900.000 people died to Tuberculosis, small number so that must mean they chose it, no, that is wrong and faulty logic.
It cannot be proven homosexuality is a choice it cannot be proven it isn't
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by TheRealSpassky101 6 days ago
TheRealSpassky101
Actually, a single gene can determine a lot of things. Especially sexual orientation.
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