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Homosexuality is a dangerous sexual deviance and should be illegal

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Started: 10/12/2016 Category: Science
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The facts are out on overall homosexual comportment and deviant sexual proclivities such as pedophilia. Of course I'm speaking generally and there are

Sexual deviance definition
1. A condition, such as exhibitionism or masochism, in which sexual gratification is derived from activities or fantasies that are generally regarded as atypical or deviant.
2. Such a condition when it causes distress or impaired functioning in the individual or actual or potential harm to others; a paraphilic disorder

Pedohpilia definition
1. a paraphilia in which an adult desires or engages in sexual relations with a child; it may be either homosexual or heterosexual in nature. adj., adj pedophilic.
2.arousing fantasies of engaging or repeatedly engages in sexual activity with a prepubertal child.pedophilic


Thanks to Pro for setting up this debate. I will use this round for acceptance so that I do not get an extra round for arguments.
Debate Round No. 1


Thanks and good luck!

Homosexuality is something most of us are taught to lump in with other sets of behaviors that is to be looked upon as normal. Besides the fact that homosexuals are attracted to people of the same gender - and the reasons thereof are still in debate - they are just like straight people. This is what I was led to believe as well in lieu of the evidence that I was never shown and that we on the whole are never told.

To promote the idea that homosexuals overall are cut out the same way as straight people is an agenda driven nonsense since we now have multiple data demonstrating the homosexual lifestyle, predilections and inclinations of said group and how this attests to the inconvenient truth of homosexuality.

The fact that the aids-epidemic is 50 times more prevalent than in the standard male population should tell you something and there's much to be said about what goes in to it. However if we just look at what some of the main causes are, is first of all the rate of promiscuity in the gay community, which, when it comes down to it, the hearsay are not wrong on the money when they say that there seems to be no bounds as far as sexual liberty goes. The fact that 28% of homosexual men have had more than 1000 partners, 43% estimated that they have had sex with over 500 people and that over 83% have had sex with more than 50 partners in their lifetime, suggests that homosexuality is a sexual compulsion, and a widespread at that. 79% of homosexual men report that over half of sex partners are strangers. 70% reported that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. (1)(2)

Another study from 1978."A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984." (3)

Of course we always hear the red herring of how gays just want to be married and be like everyone else. This is of course laughable seeing that the reported fidelity rate among homosexual males in relationships are 4,5% compared to 85% among married females and 75,5% among married males. Now we can go on and perhaps take a more scrutinizing look at those numbers for married men and women to get a more exact look and see whether there' something more to it, but there's just no comparison with what we get from homosexual males. (4)(5)

Just let those numbers sink in for a moment and then let's move on to further troubling figures.

Another gruesome and abhorrent fact about homosexuals is the fact that the rate of child molestation and pedophilia is far more frequent among homosexuals on a per capita basis compared to heterosexuals.

"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement" published in Regent University Law Review.

"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization " the nuclear family." says Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C who also fought against homosexual agenda incursions in schools saying "efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."

Psychologist Eugene Abel research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. This is further cited by Dr. Judith Reisman who published her thesis also in Regent University Law Review,

What Abel found is astonishing to say the least, that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender " whose targets were males.

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," says Reisman, the principal investigator for a $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel"s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

Not only does the research show that homosexuals at a vastly disproportionate rate molest children as compared to heterosexuals seeing that gay men only make up 2% of the population, the fact that gay culture openly promotes sex with children does not make their case any better.

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

In The Journal of Homosexuality published a paper called, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," in which sex between and and minor boys are depicted as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy"s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. "" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children"s sexuality " we must do it for the children"s sake."

Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

They studied advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, in it Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy doll... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14

Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

Youth-oriented much?

"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men. Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin"s report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

For those who've tried to refute Baldwin his answer is, "for them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement"s leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community.I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis " child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement " is a valid thesis."

"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there"s a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH " the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality " a group that says it exists to "provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.

Shockingly enough (perhaps not by now once you've read up until this part) the group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement"s most prominent leaders," he said. (5)

Ok, so now I provided you with the gist of it. Clearly the evidence shows without any doubt that homosexuality, whatever the cause, brings with it destructive sets of behaviors, not only for the individual itself but for the society at large.It's without a second of a doubt dangerous to say the least to leave your son with a boy scout you suspect might be gay or is an avid reader of the Advocate, so why should we let this behavior be normalized in our society? Instead we should recognize it as a dangerous sexual deviance that should be outlawed and unaccepted in mainstream society.

1. p.308
5.The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253


Pro’s sourcing connecting pedophilia to the gay orientation are not reliable, biased and not based on accurate research. Men more frequently look for multiple sexual partners and gay men are no exception. Pro is ignoring the lesbian population and his arguments are not relevant to civil law. While the prevalence of STDs may be unique problem for gay men; it is irrelevant to the resolution and it should spark an awareness campaign not jail time or legal penalties.

A. There is no absolutely connection between the homosexual orientation and pedophilia and there are already laws in place against sexual abuse of children.

This is Pro’s most contentious point and does not support the resolution. If it were true, the pedos should be prosecuted; there is absolutely no reason to penalize the whole gay population for the behavior of some.

-biased unreliable sourcing

Pro brings up several points from an article authored Steve Baldwin who is a self proclaimed born again Christian [1.1]. As Pro points out he is on the board of directors for a right wing religious organization, Council for National Policy. The article he references is from the fundamentalist college, Regent University, with the mission statement, “Regent University serves as a center of Christian thought and action to provide excellent education through a biblical perspective and global context equipping Christian leaders to change the world[1.2].

The article does not site peer reviewed studies and is not peer reviewed so Baldwin’s assertions can be discarded.
The author, organization and the sources are biased (this is a trend for Pro) toward the teachings of the bible which does criminalize homosexuality without any justification. They have a faith based position before the facts come in so they are searching for anything that support their narrative.

-Pro’s bible believing sources believe that it is wrong gay without any evidence.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 18:22: " Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Romans 1:26: “Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Corinthians: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, … nor homosexuals,nor sodomites, … will inherit the kingdom of God.”

-Irrelevant arguments

Eugene Abel noted an imbalance toward male to male pedophilia and I’m not sure how the point addresses the resolution since Pro has asserted that the homosexual orientation should be criminalized for both men and women and there are virtually no instances of female to female abuse. It’s not a shocker as men are more interested in sex for it’s own sake I think I will go ahead and concede that there may be some Homosexuals may support pedophilia but the question is not relevant. I’m sure there are heterosexuals who are also deranged in that way. I may address how Pro has misrepresented and cherry picked quotes to support this point next round.

-The reliable research refute Pro’s claim.

The vast majority of these criminals are not attracted to male adults. They cannot be cannot be classified as homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual because they are not capable of adult sexual relationships. A study of convicted pedophiles found that none of them were attracted to adult men.

Another study reviewed the medical charts of children admitted to the emergency room found that less than 1% of the identified molesters were gay or lesbian. Using Pro’s figure of 2% homosexual population this would indicate a much lower incidence of child molestation among homosexuals.

Canadian researchers took novel approach measuring sexual arousal while adult males were shown images of adults, prepubescents and children. The subjects were vetted to ensure that they were attracted to adult men or women. They were shown clothed models accompanied by audio describing every day activities. They were also shown nude photos with audio recordings describing sexual fantasies with the models.

“researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children.”

After a review of available scientific research Dr Nicholas Groth wrote, “The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual”

In another review of available research Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy reported, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women"

The lack of any connection between homosexuality and an increased propensity toward pedophilia is widely accepted in the scientific community. There is no reliable scientific research that concludes Homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles when compared with heterosexuals.

B. Gay men often pursue multiple sexual partners (jealous much?).

I’ll concede that gay men get more action than straight men and there are great reasons for straight men to be envious of this. It’s widely accepted that men think about sex much more often than women [1.4]. They tend to seek multiple sexual partners unrelated to any emotional attachment. A Man’s sex drive is more often closely tied to biology and a drive to have sex based on physical attraction alone.

Men think about sex at least once a day while only one quarter of women report the same. Prostitution is virtually always a male seeking a woman. Two thirds of men will admit to regular masturbation while only half that number is reported by women. A recent study indicated that men may think about sex as much as 388 times and an average of 18.6 times a day [1.5].

In contrast women are very likely to pursue a relationship and emotional connection before sex [1.4]. There sex drive is less biological and they are much less likely to pursue sex with multiple partners. They are more affected by cultural and social norms and for religious countries that attaches a strong taboo to premarital sex it’s less likely for them to feel comfortable with multiple partners (thanks fundies).

Most straight men would likely be have multiple sexual partners and normally jump at any chance to have sex. The opportunities are likely to be more frequent for gay men due to the shared biological drive. Even if this is not true, is Pro suggesting that promiscuity should be illegal?

C. Studies indicating a higher incidence of Pedophilia share common errors

As with Pro’s sourcing, research concluding there is a propensity toward pedophilia with homosexuals share common flaws. They often concede that in male-male molestation cases the offenders are not attracted to adult men but fail to make the distinction or do not address this issue at all. They have flawed research techniques or fail to report their research methodology. They are affiliated with religious organizations that believe homosexuality is a ‘sin’ carrying an obvious bias.

D. If Pro’s arguments are true he has produced nothing that indicates it should be illegal to be born gay and engage in natural sexual relationships.

Pro has argued that his position is based on research and not a faith based position but the majority of research suggesting that homosexuality is destructive or immoral is coming from faith based organizations. We are talking about civil law and Pro has not been able to produce one behavior that has been criminalized in the past that is more common to homosexuals that is illegal. On top of that pedophilia is illegal so why would you criminalize a minority group instead of the offenders?

E. Sexually transmitted diseases are more common among gay men.

I’ll concede this point but how does this support your resolution? With more opportunities for sex there is more opportunities for condoms to break or for irresponsible behavior. It’s not illegal to have multiple partners.


Pro’s arguments to not support the resolution. Pedophilia is illegal and all reliable research indicates homosexuals are not more likely to engage in this behavior. Pro’s other arguments do not lead to the conclusion that it should be illegal to be a homosexual.







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Posted by Concentratingape 3 days ago
here's a link with the exact same info
Posted by Dujec 4 days ago
Your third source link is broken. If you'd like to update it in the comments that's fine with me.
Posted by Dujec 4 days ago
Great! you had me worried you wouldn't post.

No deism hate.. just sharing an anecdote. I'll turn my attention to these LGBTerrorists (you forgot the Q).

Skimmed your arguments and looking forward to reading them more thoroughly later.
Posted by Concentratingape 4 days ago
You didn't know that most of the founding fathers were deists? Instead of attacking my deism, why don't you instead consider your support for the LGBT pedophile movement?
Posted by Dujec 1 week ago
Six people attended Thomas pains funeral when he inspired the revolution like a boss. If you were outspoken against religion people would basically show up with torches and pitch forks. Deism was likely code for "I'm still cool with Christianity."

Your sourcing and thoughts read like a conspiracy but I'll wait on your arguments.
Posted by Concentratingape 1 week ago
Cutting through much of the PC bs I have come to see that there are merits to traditional Christianity and old school patriarchy, but I see myself more as agreeing with the American founders (most of who. We're desists in fact) and stoic thinkers of antiquity like Marcus Aurellius.

I don't know any homosexuals personally and haven't had any negative experiences with any homosexuals that I can think of, so there were no ill feelings before I started reading about the wicked sides of the gay movement, e rampant pedophilia for instance, that is mostly kept from the public consciousness. The insidious part is the problems that the mainstream media/culture doesn't want us to know about. Sure there are gays who are good and all, but I am talking about general problems with homosexuals of our society.
Posted by Dujec 1 week ago
Most of the gay people I have met will definitely make it through the zombie apocalypse (currently ongoing) because they have to deal with a lot more $hit. Sure they get some perks from the left but then they get called revolting and disgusting for existing.

I would sit down and talk to a few and I think you'd see what I mean. There are good ones and bad ones just like everyone else.
Posted by Dujec 1 week ago
That's fair; I don't normally don't get heated but I can come across like a sarcastic bastard. Not many deists seem to take your position. You don't affiliate with Christianity at all?
Posted by Concentratingape 1 week ago
I can't deny the fact that I have certain strong biases that I feel free to express in the comments section since you invited me to explain my motivations. However, in the debate I want us to keep it civil with all the caveats and rules that usually goes for a debate. I regard the comments section more as a private sphere where I can feel free to go beyond just the debate and have a little more personal taste to it all, but as far as the debate goes I want it to go down as a debate usually do so just because I write something mean here (feel free to do it yourself if you want to) does not mean that anything has changed.
Posted by Dujec 1 week ago
It was an honest question. Do you mean you are naturally vulgar and get personal in conversation or that you're setting up comment rules for a flame war comment battle challenge? Alternately, are you just hostile toward those with different opinions? Maybe there's a fourth option, you tell me.
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