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EdgeOfTheInfinite
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Decentdude
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Homosexuality should be discussed in sex ed

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Started: 2/6/2017 Category: Education
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Debating Period
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EdgeOfTheInfinite

Pro

First round is acceptance, second round is arguments, third round is for rebuttals and the last round is for rebuttals and counter arguments.

As in it should be taught just like any other aspect, safe sex, condoms, dental dams etc.
Decentdude

Con

I accept your challenge.
Debate Round No. 1
EdgeOfTheInfinite

Pro

Homosexuality is a fact of life
Less than 50% of teenagers identify as heterosexual meaning that gay, pan, bi etc.[1] youth are the majority are LGB+ youth. For us to not teach safe sex for these kids would be depriving them of the knowledge they'd need to make good choices.

Consequences of not telling children about homosexuality
1 in 4 teens contract sexual transmitted diseases every year[2]. Teens are clearly sexually active. The least that we can do for them is teach them abstinence and how to have safe sex. The fact that gay men have the highest infection rate among people with HIV and AIDS[3] means that they need to be even more informed on why this is true and how to prevent it. It's the anal sex that causes AIDS. No the act of anal it's self but the tearing in the rectum. Someone infected with AIDS would pass on the infection to the partner because of the blood. That's why lesbians have the lowest rate for AIDS infection. Students need to know that and they need to know that wearing a condom can be all the difference between life and death.

Homosexual teens are still teens
Well this is a fact. Even if they have a different sexual preference they they are sexually active. Most lesbians don't even use dental dams most likely because they were never taught how to use one.

Homosexual sex is still sex
Sex education is defined as "instruction on issues relating to human sexuality, including emotional relations and responsibilities, human sexual anatomy, sexual activity, sexual reproduction, age of consent, reproductive health, reproductive rights, safe sex, birth control and sexual abstinence." Meaning that gay sex falls in that spectrum thus it should be taught.

Parents likely cannot teach them what to do
A majority of parents are straight. That's a fact. Only 6% of women even experiment in college[4] so it's unlikely that the parents would know too much about gay sex or the protections needed or even how to perform it. That's under the assumption that the parents even accept the child's sexuality or even know about it. A good percentage of teens are "in the closet" so there only place to turn is the internet which can be full of misinformation and unreachable expectations. It's far for a teen to learn from an experienced, educated individual in which they could trust.

Citation
[1]http://www.out.com...
[2]https://www.dosomething.org...
[3]http://www.cdnaids.ca...
[4]http://www.medicalnewstoday.com...
Decentdude

Con

Your first citation is out to lunch.
The study claiming that over half of teenagers are something other than purely heterosexual is flawed, read this article
https://www.lifesitenews.com...

You're describing things already taught.
Teaching safe sex doesn't change depending on orientation, It simply involves condoms, other forms of protection, STD tests or not doing it at all. Schools already teach safe sex and why you should use a condom, it doesn't matter where the penis is going. Schools already do teach about barrier protection for both men and women, orientation doesn't change that. Schools don't teach the specifics of sex, the most mentioned is how a baby is made. Student's are already aware of gay sex, schools arn't going to teach the specifics of what goes where. The fact is kids are already to taught to use a condom to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy and STD's, everyone is informed of the risk created whenever there is an exchange of bodily fluids or penetration. It's not that gay men arn't informed, it's that they're simply not using them and that's their decision after being informed of the risks just like everyone else.

The solution to your problem isn't in changing the Sex Ed curriculum.
Whether straight or gay, teenagers don't figure out how to "have sex" in what ever way they do from Sex Ed., they learn the specifics from the internet or each other. The only difference is the biological instinct for a man to mate with a woman and create successful offspring meaning that straight sex is generally more straight forward, this however still doesn't mean that schools should teach the specifics of gay sex to students, it's simply not their job and it shouldn't be their job. Parents should be teaching their kids to practice self control over their sexual urges, not having this can lead to bad situations in life. Teaching your kids how to have sex isn't going to get them anywhere good, this will simply encourage kids and makes kids more comfortable with sex at a young age (which isn't a good thing). The most a parent should teach their kid is to at least be responsible and practice safe sex if they do it, which once again doesn't change based on your orientation.

You're thinking of something else.
As I mentioned before, Sex Ed. already teaches kids what they need to know about sex, whether straight or gay. It teaches them safe sex, responsibility, consent, basic human reproduction etc. Sex Ed classes are often open to questions and discussion, if a question or discussion happens to be centered around gay sex it will happen and teachers will answer questions to the best of their ability. Teachers generally won't talk about the specifics of gay sex or straight sex like what goes where in what scenario or position, that's why kids experiment. Your argument talks about schools not teaching gay sex in their Sex Ed. curriculum, which is pointless as I have shown. Things simply don't change between straight and gay sex in terms of safety and protection until you get into the specifics, which schools simply don't teach for straight or gay sex.
Debate Round No. 2
EdgeOfTheInfinite

Pro

My opponent began rebutting in the second round. I will let voters decide how that affects conduct.

"The study claiming that over half of teenagers are something other than purely heterosexual is flawed, read this article"
I firmly apologize for that. I usually try not to site anything from biased magazines such as out and pinknews, but I must have missed the website heading. This still doesn't negate the fact that there are gay teenagers though. 2% of teens[1] are still gay and we should still incorporate them into the course.

"it doesn't matter where the penis is going."
Actually it does. Different precautions are needed for different modes of sex. Like how lube and lot's of it is needed for anal sex. A lot of schools don't teach anal sex if you look at the news. Any time it's mentioned there is a huge outrage. A lot of people don't use condoms when preforming oral as well[2] or use dental dams during cunnilingus[3]. So obviously specifics matter.

"It's not that gay men arn't informed, it's that they're simply not using them and that's their decision after being informed of the risks just like everyone else."
The reason is actually because of misinformation about anal sex. "The reason there were so many more gay AIDS cases than straight ones in the "80s and "90s is that both gays and straights used condoms, but they broke much more for gay men."[4]. The reason behind this is one thing and only one thing: lube. Lube is very important for gay sex. When you have a female and a male the woman naturally has a slick coating in her vagina when she's "ready" where as rectums don't have that. When you have the hard, dry surface of a rectum against the the dry surface of a condom then you have tearing. If these people were taught to use lube anytime they were engaging in anal sex then we wouldn't have this problem.

"it's simply not their job and it shouldn't be their job."
But it is their job. When we learned sex in sex ed we learned about it all. It's what kept us from making stupid mistakes like accidentally putting a penis in a urethra. We learned the penis goes in the vagina, sometimes the mouth and rectum. When performing cunnilingus the clitoris is for stimulation. No their no going to teach us the Kama Sutra just the basics. If it is "instruction on issues relating to human sexuality, including emotional relations and responsibilities, human sexual anatomy, sexual activity, sexual reproduction, age of consent, reproductive health, reproductive rights, safe sex, birth control and sexual abstinence." Then it is their job to teach it.

"The most a parent should teach their kid is to at least be responsible and practice safe sex if they do it, which once again doesn't change based on your orientation."
I'm going to copy my argument to this from my other debate because I cannot be bothered to do this again.Parents have limited knowledge about sex. Ask your parents about this right now and see how many they get right. All the parts of the female reproductive system, all the parts of the male reproductive system, all glands responsible in reproduction and puberty, all the stages in male and female puberty, what are all of the major STDs, their causes, their signs and symptoms and how to prevent them, what protection do you need to use during Cunnilingus, all of the major birth control methods, their cost, effectiveness and how to use them. Unless you have a doctor or sex ed teacher for a parent then most likely they got half of these wrong. My arguments are going to be mostly based of of the Ontario curriculum. Maybe if you ask an american sex ed teacher this they wouldn't know, but a Canadian or a least an Ontarian one would. These are the things that students learn in sex ed and though they might not think it is important some of this information can save their life. Knowing the forms of birth control can help them know what's best for them, knowing symptoms of an STD can help them know if they need to go to the doctors. Most teens most likely wouldn't seek out this information they know condoms exist and heterosexual sex is penis in vagina, but if all of the sudden they got blisters and fever symptoms they wouldn't know they had herpes until it was too late. We don't ask parents to teach their kids how the respiration system works. Why should we tell them to teach kids about sexuality.

"Sex Ed classes are often open to questions and discussion, if a question or discussion happens to be centered around gay sex it will happen and teachers will answer questions to the best of their ability."
Unless forces there's a good chance kids won't even as questions. When you have the anonymous question bin it usually remains empty. Everyone is too embarrassed about sexuality and being stupid to ask a question about sex let alone gay sex in this world we live in. If a guy asked a question about gay sex there's a good chance he would be completely reamed by his friends. All we have to do is have specifics. I' not talking about an entire unit when we talk about gay people and only gay people I'm just talking about including them into the discussion.

Citation
[1]http://www.pewinternet.org...
[2]http://www.alternet.org...
[3]http://metro.co.uk...
[4]http://www.catie.ca...
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Posted by Decentdude 11 months ago
Decentdude
I'm representing my high school in a photography skills competition and got busy with it, sorry guys
Posted by PFJones 11 months ago
PFJones
While I am in support of pro for this topic, I feel that Decentdude (Con) is winning so far.
Posted by JonHouser 11 months ago
JonHouser
@sboss18

https://genderidentitywatch.com...
http://www.dailywire.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

These are just a few of the many links that I found. I can understand people's desire to use a restroom in which they feel safe and not harassed, but it is absolutely ridiculous to advocate a position that "frees" less than 3 to 3.5% of Americans, while putting half (females) of the other 96.5 to 97% at greater risk. Should members of the LGBT community be free from harassment? Yes. Should they be allowed to do whatever they want (within reason) in the privacy of their own homes? Yes. Should they be allowed to force through legislation that has the potential to create a risky and threatening environment for every woman in America? No. I understand that few members of the LGBT community are a threat to women in these situations. But this kind of legislation opens doors for straight men who are sexual predators to legally put themselves in a position where they can be a greater threat to women.
Posted by unveiledartist 11 months ago
unveiledartist
@AmericanDeist

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with sexual behavior. We want our Identity-who we are-to be viewed as normal. Whether some of us are celibate, straight-married, gay-married, or otherwise, that doesnt matter. Straight men have gay sex just as gay men. Some animals can change gender on a drop of a hat and reproduce with their opposite.

I feel sexual orientatio should be taught in school. Safe sex, of course but there needs to be a non bias distinction between the two so people who are asexual will know their self just as a pansexual or bisexual.

Its talking about how people identify themselves based om gender not sex and not sexual behavior. Since identity is important to people, it Should be taught in school.
Posted by Bennett91 11 months ago
Bennett91
I don't mean to but in, but reading from this comments debate the misunderstanding is about the definitions o sex and gender.

Sex = Biological Designation (XX/XY Chromosomes; Female/Male)
Gender = Cultural Designation based on sex (Woman/Man)
Posted by sboss18 11 months ago
sboss18
Give me any sources that show pedophiles rape children of the same sex in bathrooms, or that instances of sexual assault of any kind have increased upon the passing of this legislation allowing transgender individuals to use the restroom of the gender they more closely identify as. Show me anyone who is abusing this law.
Posted by Decentdude 11 months ago
Decentdude
from certain issues.
Posted by Decentdude 11 months ago
Decentdude
A pedophile looking to sexually assault someone of the other gender is overjoyed when they can go into the other gender's washroom and be protected from criticism by SJWs. It's not a hard connection to make unless you've blindfolded yourself from certain to not hurt people's feelings
Posted by sboss18 11 months ago
sboss18
"Letting men into womens washrooms is an invitation to pedophiles to do what ever they want."
...I have no idea how you're making this outrageous connection...
Posted by Decentdude 11 months ago
Decentdude
Once again, Gender is not a mental thing. Your identity is a mental thing. Your identity can be what ever you make it, but that doesn't affect your biology. Changing the meaning of a word to suite your needs isn't how the dictionary works, words are created as required. In this case there already is a word for what you're thinking about, Identity. Not gender.
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