How can you be an athiest? (friendly discusion)
I am an atheist.
I used to believe in a God:
I believed in a Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God. I believed such a God to be very personal. A father to "us" his children. I prayed multiple times daily about anything and everything. I believed that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. That he "atoned" for my sins. That through him I could return to live with my father in heaven. I believed that I knew this by the Holy Spirit which manifest truth through my thoughts and feelings.
I will briefly outline issues I have I am willing to talk about any of these in depth via personal message or perhaps in a debate.
1) Faith is inherently irrational
I am bothered by this concept. There is no rational way to contend with a religious concept that requires "faith."
I have long sense stopped believing in scripture as literal or historical. But to do so seems to undermine the entire concept. If I don't believe the bible to be literal what reason do I have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation.
3) The atonement itself
How can Justice be satisfied by the suffering of someone innocent? Even if I grant the story true, the idea that an innocent sacrifice had to be made on my behalf to save me from "sin" seems odd and immoral. Not only do I doubt the atonement happened... I am no longer sure I want it to be true.
If such a God exists that I was taught to believe in, why do so many receive different answers to prayers? Why ask a species that has the capability to act and think rationally to rely on faith rather than reason? Why not have clear evidence? Why have us "walk by faith and not by site?"
How is it that I could have thoughts and feelings affirming my faith, but so do many others about their faith which contradicts my own? Of course people feel strongly about the Bible, or whatever scripture they were brought up to believe in. I spent 2 years doing nothing but studying the Bible and teaching from it. Do that with anything for two years and you will no doubt have strong feelings about it. There are too many conflicting issues with personal revelation.
What shook your faith in the Bible? Why don't you think it's accurate? Because it is.
That's the point, it's not justice. It's the giving of a perfect being,a spotless lamb, to save all of the dirty old sheep. It's not justice, it's a sacrifice God was willing to make to save us all.
We don't have evidence because God gave us free will fit a reason. He wants us to choose to have faith, to choose to believe and to choose that He is God. Have you ever had a crush on someone when you where young? And then found out that you really didn't like that person after all? It's that way with other people thinking they have the answer, they haven't felt the real thing yet, they don't know better.
Please don't think I'm trying to convert you, I'm just trying to show you that the is a God, and He is more amazing than we can possibly imagine.
Faith is Irrational:
Evidence is overwhelming that many stories of the Bible are fabricated, ahistorical, and false. The Creation Story immediately comes to mind. If you take the story literally, and believe the earth to be only six thousand years old then you believe that which has been disproven. Another easy example is that of the World Flood in Noah’s story. Not only could it not have happened; it has been demonstrated to have not happened. In February of 2014 Bill Nye authenticates this position in his debate with Ken Ham. (1) Thus we know that Noah’s ark did not happen.
Due to these example and many others it is obvious that scripture should not be taken literally or historically. It is worth noting that there are many who claim parts of these books to be figurative and not literal. This is an untenable position. Considering that only taking scripture figuratively seems to undermine the entire concept. If one does not believe the Bible to be literal what reason do they have to believe Christ's suffering brings salvation. How can one say, well obviously the creation and Noah’s flood are figurative, while in the same breath profess the resurrection of the dead and walking on water as literal. It is far past time for someone to point out that to do so is void of logic and is a prime example of the Cherry Picking Fallacy. It seems clear that to believe in scripture implies to take them literally.
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