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Human Cloning

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Started: 4/11/2014 Category: Science
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megancouillard56308

Pro

With the legalization of human cloning, infertility can and will be eliminated. Infertility affects many couples and individuals all around the world. It can stress any relationship or marriage. Being unable to have a child in this society makes a man seem like less of a man, and makes a woman feel worthless. (http://www.humancloning.org...) Getting rid of this factor would give individuals and couples everywhere the satisfaction of not only being a parent, but also in being able to reproduce. Because actual infertility treatments only work for about 10% of the people that receive them, they waste their money, and get the heartbreaking news that they cannot have a child. (http://www.as.wvu.edu...) Insurance companies and the government show no sympathy to this because it is not a "real medical condition". The current "treatments" tend to be very painful, and time consuming. Receiving the heart-wrenching news that you cannot have a child, and that there is no way to help can cause not only emotional trauma, but also physical trauma. It takes a toll on you, your partner, and even your family. It takes away from you mentally, emotionally, and physically. Many people would point to adoption as this point, but people want a child of their own, as silly as it may sound. They would want to feel like they are more of the actual parent if they can contribute to the making of "it". Infertility affects not only heterosexual couples, but also homosexual couples. Because homosexuals have the same genitals, they cannot reproduce with each other. As stated before, most couples would want to produce their own child. The use of human cloning can create a possible, a more "guaranteed" promise for success, and the satisfaction of having a child to love and to hold. Human cloning can create a much cheaper, easier way of receiving the child you have always wanted. Cloning can change homosexual/infertile couples' lives everywhere overnight. (http://www.humancloning.org...)
HergenMergenNergenShergen

Con

Human Clones Will Be Discriminated Against

One problem with human cloning, is not so much the welfare of ourselves as humans the way we are currently, but the welfare of the clones that, if they were to be permitted, would stand among us as citizens of our own nations and members to our own individual groups and communities.

It has been stated by UN that they have banned human clones from being made (although this is not binding) because of "potential abuse, prejudice, and discrimination." There is a great deal of potential for unnecessary prosecution to clones should they develop and grow to stand with the general population. Already, humans that are considered normal in their creation are prosecuted for race, ethnicity, religion, and a variety of other attributes to them. Cloning would add only another reason to cause contention within the people of the world. If the UN has already "banned" it, is it not something to be taken into careful consideration? Is it not in their best intention to protect the rights and welfare of human beings, even clones, in preventing the ordeal of actual human cloning?

But discrimination is not the only hardship that human clones would be put through. Self-idenity and the pursuit of happiness is a human right, and today we as humans strive to help those who are restricted from this gain what they deserve. Human clones would potentially have unfair expectation to live up to the reputation of that whom they resemble. There would be no chance to create or seek a self-identity, because as far as appearances go, there is nothing uniquie about them. They are a genetic copy. A human clone would always be compared to the extreme to their predecessor.

It is unfair to the human being itself, clone or not, to bring it into the world when all it would experience is a vast amount of fear and prejudice against it.

Sources:

1) digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/sciko;/vol4/iss2/3/
2) www.reuters.com/article/2007/11/11/us-clones-idUSL1127243320071111
3) www.linacte.org/cloneAM.html
Debate Round No. 1
megancouillard56308

Pro

Research for genetic disorders of all varieties can be enhanced to the extreme. Sufferers of Parkinson’s, any kind of cancers, Down Syndrome, and so on may be able to see a cure for their disorder in their lifetime. By creating a cure, we can improve their quality of life exponentially. Why should we sit by idly watching someone suffer from something they cannot help if we can help them? If we can improve their living conditions, then we are obligated to. They cannot help themselves, and if we were in their position, then we would want research to be done for us also.

With the development of replication, we can potentially create stem cells to be a renewable source to be used. Stem cells can be created by Therapeutic Cloning. They could potentially cure neurological, cardiovascular, and hematological (blood) diseases. They have developed and performed different versions of this type of cloning in the form of bone marrow and blood transplants. The performance of the operations has rescued many lives, and enhanced a plethora of others. (Points Of View: Cloning. By: Ballaro, Beverly and Sprague, Nancy)

Because gentically disordered sufferers cannot help themselves, it is our job to. We are able-bodied, and that is not our doing, but that's just the fact. They cannot find their cure, so we must do it. All of the materials are present for us to use. With modern-day technology, and our advanced research/thinking, we have everything we need to make it happen. If we do not try in our best efforts to begin this testing to save all of these people, and think of ourselves selfishly, then we may as well bid farewell to the remainder of humanity.

Sources:

1. www.humancloning.org/allthe.php
2. www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biotech-Environ/cloning/bioBenefits
3. Points of View: Cloning. By: Ballaro, Beverly and Sprague, Nancy
HergenMergenNergenShergen

Con

Human Cloning Does not Obey Scientists' Precautionary Principle

It is standard for all scientists to study and use the precautionary principle or rather, think of the effect to each possible action. This is supposed to help be a guide to scientists, to help them make the right choice pertaining to them and the people around them. Failure to follow this principle has the well warned cautioned against possible outcome, which is what has been received many times in reckless situations.

This principle can, and should be, applied everywhere. Even the most basic of genetic modifying can have unseen affects that we cannot control. An example of this would be the change to Bt's corn, which Monarch butterflies also suffered the drawbacks from because humans who modified it failed to follow the guidelines set forth.

Regardless of what is said, cloned or not, this creation will be a human being, complete with emotions and physical pain and everything else that what we would call 'normal' humans. Would this be considered an overly dramatic measure, to clone humans when we do not know the potential risks of what might happen to the? Not only is this questionable, this is also illegal, to treat a human being, even cloned, so.

Sources;
1) gm.or/2009/02/18/arguments-against-human-cloning/
2) https://bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu...
Debate Round No. 2
megancouillard56308

Pro

In the case of development of cloning, we could provide faster injury repair to victims of all kinds. We could further our knowledge and use in plastic, reconstructive and cosmetic surgeries. We could learn to clone different kinds of organ cells (kidneys, livers, hearts), to replace in case of malfunction. Scientists could provide revolutionary transplants of new, healthy cells to replace the unhealthy, sick cells.

Victims of car accidents, burns, cancer, anything you can name will benefit from this. This time of cloning is not to make a new "being" to "steal" parts from. It is to clone parts of your own body to heal you. By using techniques of cloning, a cure for cancer could be found, and used. An abundance of lives will not only be improved, but saved all together. Cells that are cloned are thought to generate quicker. If a new, healthy cell repopulates quickly, then it can soon replace and eventually overrule the sick cells, therefore healing the person. Because the body would recognize the cell as its own, there is not a chance of the immune system attacking and destroying it, as it may with other transplants.

By using replicated spinal cord cells, they could be transplanted into victims with spinal cord injuries. Quadriplegics could see their feet moving across the ground in their lifetime. Who are we to deny them that right? A cure for cancer could also come from this because scientists may be able to find how to turn certain cells on and off in different areas creating an end to the malfunctioning cells production. Leukemia could also be cured as children and adults can receive bone marrow transplants.

Even if cloning is not taken to the extreme, such as cloning entire persons, it can benefit the population in ways people could never imagine. People that are injured in more "simple" ways would be able to heal faster. Football players would be back in the zone after a few games instead of missing a full season. Instead of missing the major basketball game where all the college scouts will be, a player can be back on the court for their high school game. Cancer patients, Leukemia sufferers, burn victims, all of these people could see an end to their suffering. Young and old can be helped. Why shouldn't they?

Sources:
1. www.student.biology.arizona.honors2001/group01/medcloning.html
2. www.humancloning.org/allthe.php
3. www.healthreasearchfunding.org/pros-cons-human-cloning
HergenMergenNergenShergen

Con

Human Cloning Would Fail Too Often

There are a vast series of possibilities than can, and most likely will, occur in cloning of any kind. The enucleated egg and transferred nucleus may not be compatible, and therefore will result in failure for example. Another example would be that the egg and transferred nucleus do not go through division properly, failure of implantation at all, or miscarriages and failed pregnancies are all significantly high percentages. The list of other probable complications goes on and on.

The animals born so far show that even if they do manage to survive past pregnancy, birth, and the first few hours of time, often have defects after birth. The most common of which is LOS, or having abnormally large organs. This shortens the life span severely, and causes blood and breathing problems during life. Humans may have to experience the same thing with their clones. should they survive.

Success rates in animal cloning are from 0.1 to 3 % and that is what lives for the first week. Are we prepared to put mankind through the extreme emotional and physical trying that cloning would cause? Already with clinical fertilization, after five attempts to create a zygote that have failed, the chances of succeeding drop 15% each time. Imagine what the probability would be with cloning, a technique we haven't mastered in the slightest. It's simply not advisable.

1) learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/cloning/cloningrisks
2) www.babycenter.com/0_making-the-decision-to-end-fertility-treatment-6083.bc
Debate Round No. 3
megancouillard56308

Pro

Cloning could be our way to find a cure to baldness, eliminate defective genes, and once again, faster recovery. If we are able to eliminate these things, then the human race could be potentially be perfected. How could we resist something so great with the ability to accomplish this task.

By eliminating defective genes, not only would the human race be closer to perfection, we would be able to ensure no person would have to suffer any genetic disorder known. People would not have to suffer many of the trials that they do now, if research for cloning be legalized. All defective/useless genes could be gone forever, so no one would ever have to deal with the pain of them ever again.

The cure to baldness is pretty self-explanatory. It is just another step to perfection. It is a simple step, but a large one. Many people suffer from things as simple as not having hair. They are ousted, teased relentlessly, and have to deal with insecurity. Balding may be a natural thing, but if it can be avoided, then why shouldn't it be?

There are numerous things that come from this that can help so many people. All of which cannot happen if we do not allow ourselves to be open to the idea of it.

Sources:

1. www.humancloning.org/allthe.php
2. www.healthresearchfunding.org/pros-cons-human-cloning
HergenMergenNergenShergen

Con

The Legality of Human Cloning

One of the most prominent issues with human cloning is the legality of it all. There are simply too many problems, even after the clones are created, to make any of it beneficial. The questions asked don't truly have a correct answer, but that is the entire point of having the questions at all;

Who would be considered the parent? Is it the surrogate mother, who actually gave birth to the child, or is the the donor since they are biologically related? There is no wrong or right answer chosen out for society, and the debate and which is which is unnecessary for places where human cloning is already banned indefinitely.

Which brings us to another problem. The clone, is a genetic copy of someone else. It has the potential to be exactly like them with their phenotypes and based on nuture as well. How can we document them tor a governmental database when some are the same as the others? When two finger prints are the same and parent turns on child and vice versa?

The legal situation, even after human cloning, if it were to be legalized, would be too complicated to be worth it and make it far too difficult for the life of the clone.

1) novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his135/events/dolly96/DollyEthics/htm
Debate Round No. 4
megancouillard56308

Pro

Scientists have come to the conclusion that if they are able to duplicate healthy heart cells in heart attack victims, they can reverse the effects. If this idea is nourished, and developed, many lives will be enhanced, and saved. If the heart attack did not take a person's life at the time of occurrence, there is plenty of time for it to take its toll.

Heart attacks take a toll on everyone in a family. There is stress on the permanent damages, there is emotional trauma from the victim, and there is going to be physical damage as well. Heart attacks are horrifying things, and if someone does not have to suffer the consequences of one, then they should not. If they can lead a happier, healthier life afterwards, then we need to get them there.

Irregular heart beats, Cardiogenic Shock, and heart rupture are all after effects, or potential risks of a heart attack. From any of those symptoms, a person can lose their life. Cardiogenic shock is the sudden drop in blood pressure causing the heart to be unable to pump blood all over your body and to your organs. Heart rupture is what is sounds like: damage to the heart wall, causing it to rupture.

Although it can be avoided, heart attacks still happen. To save those who suffer from these disastrous events, scientists need to invest in human cloning. If they do not, we will miss out on great things that mankind can achieve.

Sources:

1. www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biotecg-Environ/cloning/bioBenefits.html
2. www.humancloning.org/allthe.php
3. http://www.servier.co.uk...
HergenMergenNergenShergen

Con

Human Clones Would Lessen Diversity and Evolution

There has been many studies on the affects on revolution from cloning. Of course, this aren't human subjects, only plants, but the same science it used. The cloning of plants have actually led to extinction in some cases.

Clones, because they have the same genetic makeup as one of those before them, do not have genes that are mixed and changed based on their environment and the environment of their surrogate mother and donor. This would cause the subject to be more susceptible to new diseases and changes in the environment that could be hard to overcome without adaption. This could be explained with the example of hip dyspepsia in dogs. Dogs of purebred often are more likely to have hip dyspepsia, while mutts have the genes from two species, and, depending on the breed makeup, would have the genes to counter the disease two times more than the purebred. This is because the genes are different, coming from each parent.

The impact the loss of diversity caused by cloning in humans could be massive. Cloning could "eradicate genetic variety," since there will be no need to reproduce sexually, since women can asexually. As time passes, and cloning becomes more common, less and less evolution will take places since genes will not be be changing. In places like the United States, where there is very large amount of diversity, this could be a problem as the nation loses its identity due to this and people.

Evolution and diversity are two very important parts to living in a stable species and society, something that could be threatened with human cloning.

1) www.as.wvu.edu/~kbarbutt/EvolutionPage/Studentsites/cloningpage/CONS2.html
2) www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/ViewPage.aspx?pageId=106
3) www.allaboutpopularissues.org/arguments-against-cloning-faq.htm
Debate Round No. 5
11 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by NateS 2 years ago
NateS
I started this debate by being against human cloning. The arguments presented caused me to now be conflicted between Pro and Con. This is an astonishing thing because my opinion is not easily swayed Pro did a very nice job presenting the information. All of the facts and sources were really well done. I really do believe you had a more convincing argument.
Posted by SheepBruhScienceGuy123 2 years ago
SheepBruhScienceGuy123
Also, Pro went in to far more depth compared to con. Con created very good arguments that were informative, but Pro seemed more reliable and contained a more effective argument. Their informative pieces created a better argument.
Posted by NateS 2 years ago
NateS
During this debate, both parties had very good information; however, Pro and Con were not entirely equal. The Pro argument had frequent punctuation mistakes and on top of that, some sentences just did not seem to make any scents. On a more positive note, I did enjoy the fact you ended each round in a question. It gave uniformity to the whole argument. I noticed that each question seemed related to the question "should we?" On the Con side, even though this argument had less sources, the arguments presented were more relevant to today. The overall arguments made more scents to me. On top of that, the grammar was better.
Posted by SheepBruhScienceGuy123 2 years ago
SheepBruhScienceGuy123
I agree with the pro side as based off this argument, the pros outweigh the cons in a variety of ways. The pros go into more indepth and specify particular benefits. The con seemed to be too broad with their arguments. Also, on round 3, the con included data that did not assist in their argument as they were discussing animal cloning. Those statistics do not apply to human cloning and therefore should not be used.
Posted by aleah_nicole 2 years ago
aleah_nicole
In this debate I was and still am tied for it. I feel like Pro had much better points and conduct and information, but with some of what Con said, I am still tied. They both had good resources and seemed like they knew their topics well, but with what i know and what is said I am still tied.
Posted by mmariesanchez19 2 years ago
mmariesanchez19
I agree with the con side because it is wrong to clone people. I believe that the pro side had some good points with the fact that it could help people who have different sicknesses and disabilities but at the same time if we "fix" everyone then there is less and less diversity within ourselves. We as humans need diversity to survive. If there were clones everywhere then it be harder to survive in a world like ours. To me human cloning is bad and not needed. Yes there is cancer and disabilities within people in our world but things happen to people for a reason. There is a plan for everyone and we don't need to mess it up by trying to "fix" them because we have clones.
Posted by BLAKEVALENZUELA 2 years ago
BLAKEVALENZUELA
With the pro side i think that being able to have more success when trying to have a child is a good thing. The thing i think would cause the most problems is that clones not having their own self identity. One thing that i think that would be very beneficial is that the cloning may be a cure to cancers and diseases.

Another thing that I see that could be very beneficial is to cure baldness. One thin that might keep cloning from happening is if it is legal or not. Heart attack victims would benefit to treatment from human cloning.
Posted by bmattes 2 years ago
bmattes
I agree with the Pro because the arguments that were presented were more convincing and stronger such as the Legalization ending infertility. Along with providing stronger arguments Pro had in-text citations th show directly from where that information was found. As for con the information would need to be searched for between the sources that were provided after the argument was made.
Posted by volleyball3 2 years ago
volleyball3
The con point of view was better backed up by evidence rather than the pros. I agree with this side because it talks about them not really knowing what the affect would be which is true. Sure it could be beneficial to have this but it was studied that the clone died after a little while of being alive. Before anything can be tested they need to do more studies on cloned individuals.

Also, the con point of view had actual facts in it other than the persons own opinion. Plus they included more researched facts in the text. He/She had more evidence on why it could be bad to the society if they made it legal without knowing the effects it has on the cloned individuals.
Posted by TheGreatestofAllTime 2 years ago
TheGreatestofAllTime
I agree with the con of the debate because it really gave good, solid points that took good research and a creative way of thinking. The pros of the debate was also very persuading. I liked the way the pro side used quotations form the sources used and continued into that point. Both really did well in making the length look professional and the spacing made it also look that way. The con side still had the ethical part on it's side, so I had to go with that side. The pros side had good arguements, and the results were very close. I still had to give it up to the con side.
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