Human Life Begins at Fertilization
| Started: | 5/9/2011 | Category: | Science |
| Updated: | 2 years ago | Status: | Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 4,940 times | Debate No: | 16389 |
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I believe by the end of the fertilization process, (instigated by two human beings) what follows is this: a living, whole organism of the human species. I believe the entity is biologically alive. I believe the entity is a whole organism. I believe the entity is biologically human. There are still some who believe at least one of the statements I've just made are false. I welcome anybody who feels that way to debate the issue with me. While there's much more to the abortion debate than just the biological facts, I can confidently state that if someone can prove that the unborn is not a living member of the human species, than I have absolutely NO reason to continue fighting abortion.
I will summarize Pro's claims into one--as they all infer the same conclusion. Pro's Claim: The end of the fertilization process yields a "living, whole organism of the human species." Therefore, Pro is claiming a "zygote" is a member of the human species. A zygote is "a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum."(1) I will concede that a zygote is classified as "living." However, Pro's argument that the zygote is a member of the human species is false. Now, I will refute Pro's claim by explanation of the hierarchy of life. The hierarchy of all living things is classified as follows(2): [Smallest to largest] 1. Molecules 2. Cells - (zygotes) 3. Tissues 4. Organs 5. Systems 6. Organism 7. Population - (humans/species) 8. Community 9. Ecosystem 10. Biosphere To be classified within a species, a living thing must have cells forming tissues, which form organs, which form organ systems, yielding an organism that can be biologically classified within a species(i.e. human beings). Zygotes are cellular. They do not meet the criteria for species classification. Therefore, they are not a member of the human species. Please note that I have refuted Pro's argument with a 9th grade biology book(Prentice Hall "Biology"). Pro's extreme interpretation of biology is invoked to intentionally mislead--to serve an agenda. It is a premise that is based on rhetoric, not science. Vote Con. References: 1. http://www.google.com... 2. http://www.authorstream.com... |
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I’d like to thank e.gibson for being willing to debate an important scientific topic with me: does human life begin at fertilization? I should have started with some basic definitions, but thankfully e.gibson correctly understood the meaning of my words. For clarification’s sake however, I’ll define some of the more important words here:
Note that a one-celled individual animal can be an organism.
The human entity at this stage has at least two key characteristics:
E.Gibson makes the biological mistake of confusing parts with wholes when he classifies the zygote as mere cells, instead of as an organism. As Scott Klusendorf points out in his book, The Case for Life,[8] Some questions for my opponent on species classification:
Modern Teaching Texts on Embryology "Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."[9] "A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."[9] "[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being."[10] "Human embryos begin development following the fusion of definitive male and female gametes during fertilization... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."[11] Pro-Abortion-Choice Philosophers Peter Singer: “It is possible to give ‘human being’ a precise meaning. We can use it as equivalent to ‘member of the species Homo sapiens’. Whether a being is a member of a given species is something that can be determined scientifically, by an examination of the nature of the chromosomes in the cells of living organisms. In this sense there is no doubt that from the first moments of its existence an embryo conceived from human sperm and eggs is a human being.”[12] David Boonin: “Perhaps the most straightforward relation between you or me on the one hand and every human fetus from conception onward on the other is this: All are living members of the same species, homo sapiens. A human fetus, after all, is simply a human being at a very early stage in his or her development.”[13] Sources: 7: Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8. 8: Klusendorf, Scott. The Case For Life, 1st ed. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 2009. 38. Print. 9: Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2. 10: Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2. 11: William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology, New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998. pp. 1, 14. 12: Peter Singer, Practical Ethics, 2nd ed. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993), 85-86. 13: David Boonin, A Defense of Abortion, (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2003), p. 20 "Noted embryologists O'Rahilly and Muller place the beginning of the life of a new organism at fertilization" -Once again, I have made no claim that states that an organism at a cellular level is not alive. In fact, my opponent seems to have completely ignored my statement in the first round. "Drawing a mistaken conclusion from a 9th grade textbook isn't going to cut it." -Note that my opponent offers no rebuttal to my claim, he simply dismisses it. He fails to demonstrate how my conclusion is "mistaken." Along with ignoring my distinction between human beings and living cells, it seems my opponent does not take this debate seriously. He is simply waiting for his turn to speak. I will now address the counter-claims that my opponent offers to support his initial claim. First claim: Human beings are characterized by a "unique DNA fingerprint." -This is insufficient in characterizing human beings. For example, the Muntjac(1) is a deer with 46 chromosomes—one of several animals with 46 chromosomes. Of course, my opponent would not consider the barking deer a human. Therefore, this premise fails to support his conclusion. Second claim: "The only thing this entity needs is a proper environment and adequate nutrition to develop herself as an individual member of the species. It is an organism whose development is being driven from within. It is developing itself to the next stage of the organism according to the nature of the organism." -Pro is simply stating that zygotes bear the potential to become humans, one day. He is being intentionally opaque by using phrases such as "driven from within" and "it is developing itself" in an attempt to speculate on what is responsible for the zygote's development. This does not express how human life begins at fertilization. If he is referring to the zygote's nature of utilizing the nutrients imbibed from its host, then he is not describing the nature of an independent human being. He is describing a parasite(2). Please note that my opponent has failed to refute my arguments made in the first round. Pro asks me: "At what point in development do you believe a zygote/embryo/fetus becomes a member of the human species?" "What was it before?" "But I'm going to need some actual evidence that shows all the embryologists and pro-abortion-choice philosophers are wrong." -My opponent is now attempting to offer the burden of proof to me. However, I have not made the claim that is in dispute; therefore, I do not have the burden of proof. I respectfully decline his offer as it is irrelevant. Also note that my opponent's claims have moved from the subject of the beginning of human life, to claims defending a pro-life stance on abortion. He is back-peddling into a more generalized and disputed subject. Now, Pro is soliciting the claims of embryologists and philosophers to his side without explaining how any of them support his conclusion. However, I will entertain the direction in which he is moving. My opponent is hinting at the "potentiality" argument. Meaning, a fetus has the "potential" to be a human being. Therefore, it should be shown respect as potential life. Do we show the same respect to the potential life of chicken eggs, or fish eggs? I doubt my opponent has devoted any time defending the right-to-life of spider eggs. So, should we show respect to embryos, simply because they could be like us one day? Is this a sufficient premise on which to base one's morality? Please note that I have refuted Pro's counter claims, while my previous claims in the first round still have not been rebuked. References: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org... 2. http://www.google.com... |
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I’d like to thanks e.gibson again for debating this issue with me. I will spend this round rebutting his arguments and I’ll conclude with my closing remarks. Con’s fundamental mistake is that he assumes that until an organism can be classified as a member of a certain species, it is not a member of that species! Remember, my fundamental argument is: “By the end of the fertilization process, (instigated by two human beings) what follows is this: a living, whole organism of the human species.” Con’s response is that zygotes “do not meet the criteria for species classification. Therefore, they are not a member of the human species.” Imagine the first biologists that classified this flying frog (Rhacophorus suffry) two years ago.[1] According to Con, the flying frog became a flying frog once it was classified, not once it was conceived! This is obviously false. Even though humans were not aware of this species of frog nor had we named it, the flying frog still existed in obscurity. It didn’t change species once we named it. It remained the same kind of thing it always was. All it had now was a name. It would be really bizarre for us to staff biologists at every hospital delivering room, whose job it is to determine the species of a newborn baby. Why? Because we know that when two humans reproduce, a new human comes out. And that new human began her life as a human zygote, then developed into a human embryo, then a human fetus, and is now a human infant. Con accused me of not rebutting his fundamental argument, because he thought I was trying to show that the organism is alive, something he had already agreed to, when in fact, I spent most of my round two demonstrating that a single-celled entity can be an organism, and that in the case of humans, we know that zygotes are members of the human species. I don’t think Con did this on purpose, but I think it explains why he had such a low view of my round two. He thought I was ignoring his fundamental argument, when in fact I was responding directly to it. Con points to Muntjac deer that have 46 chromosomes, arguing that having 46 chromosomes is not enough to characterize human beings. I agree. That doesn’t mean humans don’t have a unique DNA fingerprint. It simply means that some other animals also have 46 chromosomes in their unique DNA fingerprint. Con states that I am “simply stating that zygotes bear the potential to become humans, one day.” That is not at all my argument. I believe zygotes are full members of the human species from the beginning of their life as an organism. I don’t think they change species somewhere down the road after they develop tissues. Zygotes aren’t potential humans. They are humans with the potential to develop themselves into older more developed humans. I spoke of the zygote “developing itself,” because there has been some confusion in the abortion debate about whether the zygote develops itself like a Polaroid, or if the zygote is constructed like a car. Richard Stith wrote a great piece on this,[2] but I didn’t expand on this point because Con didn’t argue that the zygote does not develop itself. My questions about species membership is not “irrelevant.” It’s directly to the point Con is making. I’ve made a case that the zygote is a human organism, which Con disputes because it doesn’t have tissues yet and thus can’t be classified. My question that if the zygote is not of the human species at the beginning of her life, “when does she become human” is completely relevant. Either you are the same species during the entire existence of your life, or you have the ability to change species during your lifespan. My opponent is arguing the latter. I’m just asking for some evidence. Con accuses me of making pro-life claims in regards to abortion. Not at all. I have offered evidence from both embryologists, the true experts on this issue, as well as pro-abortion-philosophers on whether the zygote is a human organism. I quoted pro-abortion-philosophers because if anybody would want to dispute a human zygote’s species membership, it would be a pro-abortion-philosopher. Yet they virtually all admit that the zygote is a living human, and instead try to argue for abortion rights based on whether the zygote is a full person or not, or whether that zygote has the right to the mother’s body. Con stands as a lone wolf against all the scientific evidence that the zygote is not just alive, but a living human organism, and refuses to believe it. I wonder if there is ANY level of evidence that would convince Con? I hope so, because if people from both sides of any issue can’t find common ground on the most elementary biological facts of the case, there is little hope of moving the discussion forward. Luckily, unlike Con, all embryologists and the vast majority of pro-abortion-choice people can agree that scientific evidence shows that zygotes are living human organisms. Vote Pro. 1: http://www.sciencedaily.com... 2 http://www.firstthings.com... “That doesn’t mean humans don’t have a unique DNA fingerprint. It simply means that some other animals also have 46 chromosomes in their unique DNA fingerprint.” -Once again, my opponent shows no other premises to indicate a “unique DNA fingerprint,” other than 46 chromosomes. I will concede to Pro that human life begins to develop at fertilization. However, this is not enough criteria to biologically classify it as a member of the human species—by any stretch of logic. To state that a group of cells bears some characteristics of a human being is quite different than saying the same cells are a member of the human species! To even say it could develop, in the future, into a human is still insufficient. This would be equivalent to looking at the blueprints for a skyscraper and saying, “Look! It’s a skyscraper!” Incidentally, my opponent has stumbled upon a fascinating existential dilemma. He implies that essence precedes existence. Meaning, the organism being developed is simply fulfilling the abstract blueprint of an already designed creature. I’m sure that my opponent would argue that zygotes are simply fulfilling the cosmic order of things (i.e. God), therefore they are humans. Sartre would argue that man is “defined only insofar as he acts.”(1) I do not believe that essence precedes existence. I believe that existence must precede essence because humans can only perceive an essence after they have, in fact, existed! Contrary to Pro’s indication of my loneliness in this argument, many embryologists have never stated that the zygote is a full-fledged member of the human species. This is a misrepresentation. They have simply indicated that human development has begun at the zygote level(2). Pro reads that sentence, yet all he sees is “human” and “zygote.” My opponent hastily attributes his boldness in species classification to the entire scientific (and philosophical) community. I wish to extend my sincerest thanks to Pro. I petition you to vote Con, simply because Pro’s argument only leads to misrepresented science and failed logic. References: |
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lol, it had more to do with putting the intro together quickly.
SocialPinko, I just challenged someone to a general abortion debate, who had wanted to debate me last week. If he doesn't accept, I'd be glad to work with you.
I would enjoy reading that. The point is not though that you can argue it, it is that you can argue it and be consistent with opposing other extended scenarios. The most common one which Josh even used last time was to defend abortion but condemn infanticide and be consistent in argument.
Did you leave these undefined because you want the debate to be around these definitions?