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Humanism should be the ideology behind all societal governance

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Started: 6/22/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ChosenWolff

Pro

First round is acceptance.

Castermite

Con

I humbly accept this challenge and wish for good debate
Debate Round No. 1
ChosenWolff

Pro

ChosenWolff forfeited this round.
Castermite

Con

Castermite forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ChosenWolff

Pro

I) Defining Key Terms

I want to define a few terms very quick which I should of done in R1. Humanism, is a philosophy known for collective benefit of a populace or group, and approaching desicions from a secular POV, or in other words, not resorting to one form of archetype in the desicion making process. Humanism can loosely be interpreted as "utility for the benefit", which is hopefully what we will abide by. Governance, is the act of managing or presiding over a group of people. Governance may be in the form of whole scale democracy, or individual rule. Societal, should be translated to social, or social governance. So, to conclude, the resolution for this debate is "Humanism should be the ideology behind all societal governance".

II) Collectivity is the backbone of stabillity and democracy

Rule by the collective, or what constitutes humanism, is the only way a nation can stay stable and functional. If you're are not ruling with each citizen in mind, or at least not giving every citizen the abillity to influence the majority, then you are working against your own people. Humanist movements were the backbone that led to the foundation of democracy. That government can be influenced by the people, for the people. Humanism can exist in many forms. Some argue governments should provide all citizens with an equal standard of living, including healthcare, education, and housing. Other forms simply advocate for simple defense and infrastructure building. None the less, one fact remains constant. You are either ruling by the majority or the minority, and humanist movements support the much better alternative.... democracy. Democratic institutions have been proven the most successful, and economic and political collectivity have always worked. The idea is that making the collective happy makes the nation stronger.

III) Expansion on the idea that collectivity creates strength

The greatest examples of Humanism at work have been the social policies implemented between 1940 and the late 1960's. For example, unchecked market regulations in the 20's and 30's led to intense inequality, and much unemployment. Despite having the capabilities to suit the populace, the system remained of corporate rule remained in place. Most people gave up on higher education. Many worked for food rather than money. The problem was very easy to solve. People needed the stimuli to get back on their feet. Before social security was implimented, over 50% of our retirees were living in poverty. Today, that number has went down to 10%. Before medicaid and medicare were instated, millions were sick and unable to join the work force. After implimenting labor reforms, raising wages (soon to be lowered), and expanding social health programs, many re-entered the workforce. In fact, the nation was at one of its strongest points in history during the time of social reform.

Note, I am not arguing how much social reform, or advocating for more to this day, but simply the fact that a nation can increase its prosperity, strength, and prestige by extending all humans to a single point. Or in other words, just enough where they can be self sustaining. This is collectivity, and as a nation we developed our morals, and we worked as one unit to reach greater heights.

IV) A nation without humanism

It is important we give examples of non-humanist nations and how they function. A non-humanist ran nation is more than likely to be built on bigoted principles, advocation for inequality, or outright disdain for people of equal traits. The correct term would be more along the lines of fascism. We all know how those turned out. Fascist nations such as North Korea, Iran, Socialist Italy, Nazi Germany, and Francoic Spain all slowly saw a decrease in prosperity from within, leading to their eventual downfall. The simple fact is that they didn't support their strongest links. The 50%. Humanist movements attempt to help the 100% as one collective unit. Populist movements that seek to benefit everyone. As an ideology, it doesn't have to be realistic, but it should be a goal. If nations can try to make desicions that benefit everyone, then that is enough for me. Just because something is an ideology and principle, doesn't mean it should be implimented wholly, but the simple fact remains. Humanism is a great movement, and although not always realistic, there is no reason it can't be strived for in our policy making process. I thank Castermite for the debate.

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Castermite

Con

Castermite forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Geogeer, broad topics are hard to argue. It means that you need to live up to a more definitive BOP. I would like you to answer two things. Why must you follow all my debates harassing me. It is pretty sore for someone I have no qualms against to do. Second, why do you thing broad topics are easier to argue? I am really curious on why you think this. Additionally, I think it would be best if you drop what ever hypothetical problem you have with me, or just say it to my face. Currently, you go around acting like a dick to me for no reason.
Posted by Geogeer 2 years ago
Geogeer
No wonder you win so many debates. This is such a broad topic that you cannot help but win.
Posted by ChosenWolff 2 years ago
ChosenWolff
Just benefit for collective. On a broad scale
Posted by Muad-Dib 2 years ago
Muad-Dib
Can you please define exactly what you mean by "humanism", as there are various different humanist movements and ideologies. What specific aspects of the humanist ideology do you think should inform societal governance?
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