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Intellectual_Perplexion
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Humanity is a failed experiment.

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Started: 3/3/2011 Category: Philosophy
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Intellectual_Perplexion

Pro

I believe that humanity, regardless of origins, should be considered a failed experiment.
1. Religious zealotry has created a mass disconnect between humanity
2. War has always been an inevitable reality of life
3. Empathy and complacency are at disgustingly low levels
4. Inferior animals are given no dignity or respect
5. Thousands of nuclear tests, and two actual nuclear bombs have been dropped
6. Millions die of starvation, dehydration, and preventable diseases each year
7. Personal wealth is regarded in my societies as the greatest achievement
8. The environment weeps in sadness and destruction
9. Thousands of species go extinct each year
10. Humanity is a parasite, sucking dry all natural resources with no regard towards the future
11. Slavery, unequal rights for women and various ethnic minority's, and discrimination
12. The Holocaust
13. The KKK
14. Jihadists
15. Patriotism rather than humanitarianism

The list goes on and on.
Any takers?
MarquisX

Con

As you Hold the burden of proof in saying Humanity is a failed experiment, I must ask you
1.) What are our goals as humans in the first place? You can not fail at something you have not attempted.
2.) If we have indeed failed, why is it they we continue to grow as a species?
3.) If you are commenting on the evils of humanity then what if the evolutionary process has left us with primal instincts in our brains? Are we wrong for not fighting against them?
Debate Round No. 1
Intellectual_Perplexion

Pro

1. Human beings exist because they manifest themselves to other human beings: Among other attributes, human beings have mass and appearance that can be measured and observed, both by subjective, physiological means and by objective, scientific standards: Human beings exist. Since we clearly exist we may ask, where do we come from, why are we here? Is there a meaning or purpose to our life in the sense of an externally or internally assigned function? The general purpose of all other species is to procreate and sustain life. What separates humans from other animals is obviously the higher capacity for mental thought. Since higher thought (and thumbs) is the sole separation from man and beast, it is in my opinion that the under-utilization of this unique ability is the ultimate failure. The goal of humans, like an species, is to procreate and thrive, but since we are unique, the main goal should then be shifted to empathy, understanding, reverence, and social justice. The fact that intelligent people think capitalism is a moral system is an absolute joke.
2. Yes, we have grown at a staggering rate in the last few hundred years. But given that we are unique from animals, this should not be considered a success. An overabundance of people fighting for an incredibly limited number of resources is not success. It is a failure of our higher brain power not to realize that growth at this rate is not sustainable.
3. Sure, we still possess some rudimentary basic instincts, such as 'fight or flight', but we also possess the ability of self-realization where we can acknowledge mental processes taking place. When giving a speech in front of a class, 'fight or flight' often kicks in for people who are extremely nervous, but they move forward by acknowledging their brain's reaction and finding a way past it. Humans are self aware of basic instincts such as rage, lust, or hunger, but what makes humans, human, is that they can move past these desires.

Humanity squanders the incredibly unique ability of higher thought, and this is the truly great failure of humanity.
MarquisX

Con

Very good arguments, I can see that I will enjoy this debate.
1. You are absolutely correct when you say that we are different from other animals. But to say that we have under-utilized that higher thought that we have is, I believe, erroneous. You say our main goal should be shifted to "empathy, understanding, reverence and social justice". Haven't we already though? Yes I know we as a species have a bloody history. But it's as if you have completely forgotten or ignored the good that humanity has done for one another. Last year Haiti was rocked by a 7.0 earthquake on January 12th, 2010. Seventeen days later donations for Haiti reached $560,000,000*. These are people who gave there own hard earned money that could have used on whatever they wanted but donated. That's every citizen in America giving about 2 dollars. Without looking for any reward of any kind. I won't even go into the overwhelming amount of charities and Non-profit organizations out there. You mention Social Justice. Again it's something we have already been working on. In America there is Welfare, a financial aid program for the poor. And America is not the first to do it. In the Roman Empire, social welfare to help the poor was enlarged by the Caesar Trajan. Today we have Welfare programs in France, Germany, Canada, Italy, Sweden, and Japan. Oh, and "Capitalism is the only moral social system because it is the only system that respects the freedom of the producers to think and the right of the individual to set his own goals and pursue his own happiness"**.
2. But we DO know that this growth rate is not sustainable. What do you want us to do? People procreate. And no one is planning to fight over the left over resources. Every major developed country is looking for alternate energy solutions. And we have found some solutions however no stand-alone ones.
3. Above all animals we do have the ability to control or urges but they way you tell it, it's as if the entire world doesn't. In fact only about 3.125% of Americans are under correctional supervision***. So about 3%(in America) of us can't control our urges but that doesn't make us failures.

Sources
*http://philanthropy.com...=
**http://www.capitalismcenter.org...
***http://usgovinfo.about.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Intellectual_Perplexion

Pro

Intellectual_Perplexion forfeited this round.
MarquisX

Con

**Sigh** I was really looking forward to hearing your arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Dios 3 years ago
Dios
UNO DE LOS PUNTOS FUE
"Miles de especies se extinguen cada a"o"
OK DIME 1.000 ESPECIES QUE SE EXTINGUIERON EN EL 2013.
O EN EL 2012.
Posted by Intellectual_Perplexion 6 years ago
Intellectual_Perplexion
A few points:
1. You look too much at the Western World, rather than the 70% of humans populating South America, Asia, and Africa. These people are the one's who are left to fend for themselves with most of the Western World looking the other way or using them essentially for slave labor (Diamonds in Sierra Leone is an example of this).
2. Capitalism is completely immoral because it does not hold reverence for fellow man. It is cut-throat and ruthless, clearly exhibited by the nature of the business world over the last 4 decades especially.
3. Once America turns towards alternative energies, the Middle East will have virtually nothing to bargain with economically. What will we do with them then?
4. The 3% of people in corrections is grossly exaggerated, seeing as how over half of that come from drug use, and more specifically - marijuana. Marijuana is in no way a crime, and it sickens me that it is punished as such. The sole reason for it being illegal is economics and lobbyists of the cotton textile industry. The Declaration of Independence was written on Hemp paper for christ sake.
Posted by Intellectual_Perplexion 6 years ago
Intellectual_Perplexion
Ugh, I apologize for not being able to get back on in time. I have been far too busy lately.
Posted by Intellectual_Perplexion 6 years ago
Intellectual_Perplexion
Constant conflicts, irreverence for fellow man, destruction, genocide... yes, the whole lot.
Posted by dinokiller 6 years ago
dinokiller
So with failed experiment, you mean the constant conflicts...
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