The Instigator
EmyG
Pro (for)
Losing
9 Points
The Contender
wjmelements
Con (against)
Winning
33 Points

I Will Not Contradict Myself.

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wjmelements
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/15/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,146 times Debate No: 8642
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (15)
Votes (10)

 

EmyG

Pro

Rules:
1. I must answer all of my opponent's questions.
2. If I do not contradict myself, I win; otherwise, Con wins.
3. Any type of question may be asked.
4. No puzzles.
wjmelements

Con

1 When in conflict, should life be valued over liberty?
2 When in conflict, should liberty be valued over safety?
3 Is government military defense vital to the safety of a people?
4 Should nuclear arms be limited?
5 When in conflict, should liberty be valued over environmental conservation?
6 When in conflict, should life be valued over environmental conservation?
7 When in conflict, should safety be valued over environmental conservation?
8 Is preemptive war justified if it prevents a more deadly war?
9 Should democratic countries instate democracy in nondemocratic countries if this requires military intervention?
10 When in conflict, should liberty be valued over justice?
11 When in conflict, should life be valued over justice?
12 When in conflict, should fairness be valued over justice?
13 When in conflict, should fairness be valued over life?
14 When in conflict, should fairness be valued over liberty?
15 Should government be able to intervene in religion?

Thanks.
Debate Round No. 1
EmyG

Pro

1: Yes, Life should be valued over Liberty.
2: No, Safety should be valued over Liberty.
3: Sometimes. But I think people should be somewhat responsible for themselves.
4: Yes.
5: No, Environmental Conservation should be valued over Liberty.
6: No, Environmental Conservation should be valued over Life because without the environment, we couldn't live.
7: No, Environmental Conservation should be valued over Safety.
8: No.
9: No.
10: Yes, Justice should be valued over Liberty.
11: Yes, Life should be valued over Justice.
12: Yes, Fairness should be valued over Justice, although they are VERY similar.
13: No, Life should be valued over fairness because without life, there would be no need to be fair.
14: Yes, Fairness should be valued over Liberty.
15: No, Religion should be a choice. The government should have NO control over religion.
wjmelements

Con

Danke.
1 Should government regulate marriage?
2 What punishment is just for rape?
3 What punishment is fair for murder?
4 Should people be able to prevent the life of another in order to avoid discomfort?
5 Is it better to live suffering or never to live at all?
6 Should environments be protected if it means that nobody can enjoy them?
7 What punishment is just for breaking a law concerning environmental protection?
8 If in conflict, should wealth be valued over equality?
9 What is your view on gay marriage?
10 When in conflict, should equality be valued over liberty?
11 When in conflict, should equality be valued over environmental protection?
12 If in conflict, should equality be valued over safety?
13 Should governments be able to prevent individuals from making their own choices between their personal values?
14 What is your view on abortion?
15 Should governments be able to define religious institutions?
16 When in conflict, should equality be valued over justice?
Debate Round No. 2
EmyG

Pro

1: Government should not regulate marriage.
2: Jail for a VERY long time. Haha.
3: Jail for life.
4: Yes.
5: Um, live suffering.
6: Nobody, as in people? Yes, because the animals would enjoy it. Haha.
7: Community service.
8: No, equality should be valued over wealth.
9: It should be allowed because love is love.
10: Yes, equality should be valued over liberty.
11: No, environmental protection should be valued over equality.
12: No, safety should be valued over equality.
13: No.
14: It's their choice and should be allowed because of that.
15: No.
16: Yes, equality should be valued over justice.
wjmelements

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate. So far, it has been very interesting.

1 Is life in jail a harsher punishment than community service?
2 Should punishment be scaled to the harshness of the crime?
3 What is the Church's view on marriage?
4 When in conflict, should fairness be valued over equality?
5 Should married people be treated different than nonmarried people?
6 Is Wikipedia a reliable source?
7 Is communism just?
8 Is Socialism just?
9 Should government be able to tell people if they are married or not?
10 Should the ability to choose to abort a fetus be consdiered liberty?
11 When in conflict, should lack of suffering be valued over life?
12 What should the punishment be for accidently setting fire to the Brazillian rainforest and ultimately destroying the entire thing (while camping)?

Good luck.
Debate Round No. 3
EmyG

Pro

1: It depends on the crime.
2: Yes.
3: Most, man-woman, no divorce.
4: Yes, fairness should be valued over equality.
5: No.
6: Not usually.
7: It is to those people.
8: It is to those people.
9: Um, no.
10: Yes.
11: No, because without life, there would be no suffering.
12: Helping fix it in anyway possible.
wjmelements

Con

Thank you.

1. Is the abortion debate a conflict between life and liberty?
2. If not, what is it a conflict between?
3. Who are "those people"?
4. Is Socialism a just system TO YOU?
5. Is Communism a just system TO YOU?
6. If no to 4 or 5, why?
7. Is life in jail a punishment scaled harsher than community service to you?
8. How can people fix a burned-down rainforest?
9. Do you accept well-known scientific facts as truth?

I now await a response
Debate Round No. 4
EmyG

Pro

1: I believe so.
3: "those people" I referred to in the previous round were socialists and communists.
4: No. From what I know, in the early form of socialism, the working class had control. Now, this may seem fair or just, but if something happened and you were no longer in the working class, it wouldn't be. I know it's probably not this way anymore, but my answer is no.
5: No, I don't think so. From what I know about it, I don't think it's a just system.
6: Answered in 4 and 5.
7: Scaled? Yes. However, I think it depends on the situation. For some people, Community Service would be a harsher punishment. For others, jail would be harsher. If the question is which one is harsher in general, I would say jail.
8: You could help plant back some of the plant life that is available. Some types are endangered, and that's a shame. But what is able to be replanted should be.
9: Not necessarily. I'd have to see how they came to that conclusion.
wjmelements

Con

*Alert*
My opponent has contradicted herself.

The unfortunate matter is that she cannot respond to this, but that is unnecessary. It is plain as day:
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"When in conflict, should life be valued over liberty?"
--->Yes, Life should be valued over Liberty.

"Is the abortion debate a conflict between life and liberty?"
--->I believe so.

"Should the ability to choose to abort a fetus be consdiered liberty?"
--->Yes.

So, clearly, my opponent implies that abortion should be illegal. However:

"What is your view on abortion?"
--->It's their choice and should be allowed because of that.

A contradiction is evident, as she should be supportive of the "life" viewpoint, giving life priority over liberty in what she acknowledges as a conflict between life and liberty.
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So, my opponent has contradicted herself. The resolution is negated.

I urge a CON vote.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
The diabolical wizard has struck!
Posted by wjmelements 5 years ago
wjmelements
Read Round 5 again.
Posted by EmyG 5 years ago
EmyG
How did I contradict myself?
I def don't see it.
Posted by wjmelements 5 years ago
wjmelements
Okay. Thank you for the debate.
Posted by EmyG 5 years ago
EmyG
I have an opinion, but I can't defend it.
I'm a pretty lazy person.
Posted by wjmelements 5 years ago
wjmelements
You'd better make a decision. My debate with the user named Conor was a disappointment.

Take some time to think about it. I'm sure you can get an opinion on socialism and communism.
Posted by EmyG 5 years ago
EmyG
He's not. Haha.
What I mean with #1 is, if someone rolled a person to get attention and "be bad" they'd be more miserable doing community service where they can run into someone that be put in jail, which would help their "bad" image.
And those people are communists, socialists, etc. I don't know enough about them to decide if they're just.
Posted by ccstate4peat 5 years ago
ccstate4peat
wjmelements, why would you comment on a debate and then not post your argument? Then again you could be posting it as I am doing this, but I do not think it would take more than 20 minutes.
Posted by wjmelements 5 years ago
wjmelements
Check that off the list of things I want to do before I die.
Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
"I find myself... imagining Con as some sort of diabolical wizard..."
Nice. wjmelements has been elevated to the status of diabolical wizard.
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