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kohai
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mongeese
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I Will Not Contradict Myself

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Started: 10/8/2011 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kohai

Pro

As per the rules in this following debate: http://www.debate.org... must challenge mongeese to an exact copy of this debate. Therefore, I will copy and paste the rules.

Rules:
1. In Rounds 1-3, CON will ask PRO ten Yes/No questions.
2. In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions with Yes, No, or an explanation as to why neither answer would be completely correct.
3. In Rounds 2-4, CON can point out any contradictions that he or she believes to be present in PRO's answers, citing all questions and answers involved in the contradiction.
4. When CON points out a contradiction, PRO may use all of the following rounds to defend the accused contradiction until either CON drops the accusation or PRO admits defeat, or when the debate is over.
5. If PRO is never found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO wins.
6. If PRO is ever found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO loses.
7. Because sources are largely irrelevant, and can really only be used by CON most of the time, the two points associated with sources will be given to the victor of the debate. However, it is still important that debaters back up their arguments with sources when appropriate.
8. A contradiction may only be pointed out if both parts of the contradiction are brought up in this debate.
9. For any questions involved in a contradiction, PRO may define any words in the question or the answer using the online Merriam-Webster dictionary at his own discretion, unless the words were already defined by CON when the question was asked.
http://www.merriam-webster.com......
10. If PRO ever fails to abide by any rule, PRO automatically loses.
11. If CON ever fails to abide by any rule, CON automatically loses.
12. Removed as per the rules of the last debate.

Good luck.
mongeese

Con

1. Do you agree with the current information present on your DDO profile?

2. A barber cuts the hair of all men that live in a fictional town that do not cut their own hair. The barber lives in that fictional town. Does he cut his own hair?
(The definitions for any word in that question is consistent for all instances of that word.)

3. Is Barack Obama always Right?

4. Can something be an exact copy of itself?

5. Is Barack Obama usually Right when making political decisions?

6. Do people have the right to use their own property however they see fit, as long as they do not violate the rights of others?

7. Do people have a right to be treated fairly?

8. Do positive rights exist?
http://en.wikipedia.org...

9. Does the following link refer to a debate?
http://www.debate.org...

10. Is this current debate challenge an exact copy of this debate?
http://www.debate.org...
Debate Round No. 1
kohai

Pro

1. Do you agree with the current information present on your DDO profile? Yes, although they are subject to change.

2. A barber cuts the hair of all men that live in a fictional town that do not cut their own hair. The barber lives in that fictional town. Does he cut his own hair?
(The definitions for any word in that question is consistent for all instances of that word.)

Neither yes nor no would be an adequate answer as both yes and no cause a contradiction. This is known as the Barber's (or Russell's) paradox. +1 question in the next round.

3. Is Barack Obama always Right?

No.

4. Can something be an exact copy of itself?

I don't understand the question. +1 or explain.

5. Is Barack Obama usually Right when making political decisions?

No.

6. Do people have the right to use their own property however they see fit, as long as they do not violate the rights of others?

Yes

7. Do people have a right to be treated fairly?

Yes

8. Do positive rights exist?
http://en.wikipedia.org......

Depends on how the right is worded.

9. Does the following link refer to a debate?
http://www.debate.org......

The link gives me a service error

10. Is this current debate challenge an exact copy of this debate?
http://www.debate.org......

Yes. As given in round 1. This debate IS an exact copy of this debate.
mongeese

Con

I will accept your answer to Question #2 as adequate for this debate according to Rule #2. However, I will rephrase Question #4.

4. According to the Law of Identity, an object is identical to itself; however, would it be appropriate to call an object a copy of itself?

Additionally, Question #9 was not answered adequately, so a follow-up is needed:

9b. Is the service error a debate?

11. Are all boys men?

12. Is it right for the United States government to ban trade with those who employ child labor?

13. Is discrimination (the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently) wrong?

14. Is it appropriate for the government to mandate a minimum wage that must be paid in full by the employer to the employee?

15. Is it possible in the English language to describe a positive right that does exist?

16. Are service errors debates?

17. Is it wrong for a man to choose not to marry a woman because of her hygiene?

18. Is it ever appropriate for the government to declare any voluntary contracts between two consenting adults illegal?

19. Is the right to be treated fairly a positive right?
http://en.wikipedia.org...

20. Do all humans (members of the species Homo sapiens) have a right to life?
Debate Round No. 2
kohai

Pro

I will accept your answer to Question #2 as adequate for this debate according to Rule #2. However, I will rephrase Question #4.

4. According to the Law of Identity, an object is identical to itself; however, would it be appropriate to call an object a copy of itself?

According to the definition of copy, a copy is an imitation, reproduction, or transcript of an original. Therefore, it is impossible to be a reproduction of yourself so the answer is no.

Additionally, Question #9 was not answered adequately, so a follow-up is needed:

9b. Is the service error a debate?

As I stated in the previous round, I do not know what you are linking to so I cannot answer the question.

11. Are all boys men?

No.

12. Is it right for the United States government to ban trade with those who employ child labor?

If you mean a child=one under 18, then no.

13. Is discrimination (the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently) wrong?

By your definition, no.

14. Is it appropriate for the government to mandate a minimum wage that must be paid in full by the employer to the employee?

Yes.

15. Is it possible in the English language to describe a positive right that does exist?

I do not understand your questions.

16. Are service errors debates?

No.

17. Is it wrong for a man to choose not to marry a woman because of her hygiene?

Yes.

18. Is it ever appropriate for the government to declare any voluntary contracts between two consenting adults illegal?

No.

19. Is the right to be treated fairly a positive right?
http://en.wikipedia.org......

It can be, depending how you word it. For example, "You must treat others fairly" is a positive right; however, if you were to say, "You cannot treat each other unfairly" that is a negative right.

20. Do all humans (members of the species Homo sapiens) have a right to life?

No.
mongeese

Con

Contradictions

2. A barber cuts the hair of all men that live in a fictional town that do not cut their own hair. The barber lives in that fictional town. Does he cut his own hair?
"Neither yes nor no would be an adequate answer as both yes and no cause a contradiction."

11. Are all boys men?
"No."

My opponent claims that the scenario described in #2 is impossible. This is only true if one assumes that the male barber must be a man. However, not all boys are men; therefore, the barber need not be a man, and need only cut the hair of men who do not cut their own hair. Therefore, my opponent's answers are contradictory.

"As per the rules in this following debate http://www.debate.org... "

9. Does the following link refer to a debate?
"The link gives me a service error"

16. Are service errors debates?
"No."

My opponent claims that the link is to a debate, but then says that it goes to a service error, which is not a debate. Contradiction.

14. Is it appropriate for the government to mandate a minimum wage that must be paid in full by the employer to the employee?
"Yes."

18. Is it ever appropriate for the government to declare any voluntary contracts between two consenting adults illegal?
"No."

If the government mandates a minimum wage, then it must declare that a man may not pay another man a wage less than the minimum wage, which is a voluntary contract between two consenting adults. Contradiction.

Questions

21. Can the existence of a concept be affected by how a third party refers to it?

22. Is it wrong to answer a question differently because its wording has been changed?

23. Is it wrong to choose not to accept a debate because it is impossible for you to win the debate?

24. When answering Question 19, did you, in the English language, describe a positive right that does exist?

25. Had you not described the positive right, would it not exist?

26. Is it wrong to acknowledge the right to life of an adult human but not a human fetus?

27. Do people have the right to discriminate in choosing who they will or will not hire?

28. Is it wrong for a man to choose not to marry a woman because she killed his brother and feels no remorse?

29. Is it wrong for the government to make prostitution illegal?

30. Is it wrong for the government to make murder illegal?
Debate Round No. 3
kohai

Pro

Nice contradictions. You are correct.
mongeese

Con

Thank you. I win this debate by Rule #6.

I had other contradictions planned based on your answer to #13, especially regarding your answer to #20, but I guess they aren't necessary anymore.
Debate Round No. 4
mongeese

Con

Well, I guess that's it, then. There is still the other debate in which you're trying to get me to contradict myself.

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: Good job on providing *unique* contradictions.
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Reasons for voting decision: I have to congratulate mongeese, who is perhaps the best member in these "I will not contradict myself" game. He managed to lure kohai into making several contradictions through the barber's paradox and the questions relating to the minimum wage...
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Reasons for voting decision: What he said.
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Reasons for voting decision: Concession and contradiction.