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 Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point Started: 10/22/2015 Category: Religion Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period Viewed: 648 times Debate No: 81379
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 Pro According to historians. And by watching this video. https://youtu.be... They did kill peoples and contradicted to Jesus' teachingsReport this Argument Con Kind regards for this debate. As Pro did not provide any proper sources, I will do neither. However, I will refute Pro's assumption by using simple Maths. Also, it is written '50 million', and not 'millions', as well as 'people', and not 'peoples'Opening statement:Pro implies that 80 Popes killed 50 million human beings. As Pro states that 80 popes did it, this means that they directly killed those individuals. This means that each of the 80 popes killed 625.000 Humans (on average) during their lifetime or time as pope. Lets do some maths:If they would have killed one individual every hour, it would have taken them 71 years. However, the life expectancy up until the 20th century was only around 30 years, so that doesn't work. If they killed 2 individuals per hour, it still would possibly be more than their life, meaning that they potentially would have had to kill around 3 individuals or so per hour, equalling to around 24 years. Now, it needs to be assumed that they must be tired from all that killing and sleep and possibly do other things for around 12 hours a day. That doubles our number to 48 years. The average time the pope serves is 7.3 years, (http://www.ifweassume.com...), this would mean that they would have to kill around 244 individuals per day, 488 if we calculate a 12 hour killing day. That means that one of these popes must have killed 41 individuals per hour, one every 2 minutes. The Nazi Holocaust, seen as the genocide with the highest death toll caused around 6 million to loose their life, possibly more, in a time span of 4 years. That would mean around 1.5 million per year. However, our popes apparently would have, if they lived together at once (though there are no 2 popes at once, or are there??), killed 14 million individuals in one year. Doesn't all this seem a little unreasonable? While the apparent 200.000 Nazis directly involved in the holocaust would have, on average, killed 7.5 individuals a year, one pope would have done that in under 15 minutes. This is extraordinary, especially when considering that the popes did not have the technology of mass murder the Nazis used. Imagine what would have happened if the Nazis had the help of a Pope or two in WW2. The result is unimaginable. Also there is no recording of this pope 'mass murder spree', while of the Nazi Genocide there are. Finally I would like to point out that Pro 'believes' that this happened. I can believe a lot, but until I have any proof about it, I will shut up. Also, the person considered to have killed the most people is Paul Warfield Tibbets, Jr, who dropped the atomic bomb over Hiroshima, with an estimated 100 thousand. That is over 6 times smaller than one of the popes, and there are no murders committed by popes recorded even close to any of those numbers. Or even any recorded at any 'large' numbers at all.Conclusion:It seems very unlikely that one pope would or could kill 625000 individuals in 7 years by himself. Therefore, Pro is ought to provide some evidence of mass murder committed by popes, or, which is more likely the case, will not be able to provide such evidence, and as such will fail to produce any valid rebuttals or arguments.Kind regards, I am looking forward to (possibly very event-less) 4 further rounds.Report this Argument Pro this source i take from : http://amazingdiscoveries.org... some of them, I quoted : A Bloody Past 1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany. 1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch. 1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem. 1208 " 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their "crusade," almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie's The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigenses 1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism. 1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin). 1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany. April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany. 1348 " 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, "Accused of causing the "Black Death" Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge." 1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized. 1481 " 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition. 1540 " 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period. 1550 " 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period. 1553 " 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka "bloody Mary") attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders. 1572 St. Bartholomew"s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside. 1618 " 1648 The Thirty Years" War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population. 1641 " 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants. 1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France. Circa 1938 " 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2. 1941 " 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric. For further details visit toughissues.orgReport this Argument Con Kind Regards for your argument. I will now conduct rebuttal and any needed new arguments. Rebuttals and new arguments: Good job, you listed a huge amount of bloodshed caused by Christians in the crusades, the general Jewish persecution as well as killing of different Christian faith groups. All things that I am very aware about. What you however did not do, was read my Statement in round 1, nor understood what you are actually debating here. Nowhere in your list does it even mention one single person killed by a pope. The Debate topic is ' I believe that 80 popes killed 50 millions peoples'. Disregarding the linguistic mistakes, this means that 80 popes killed 50 million people with their own hands. You did not provide a single source showing even one death caused by a pope. Also, even if considering, I couldn't give you any credit for your 'source', as you simply copied, and did not even provide any evidence to any links with any pope. Even if you made the debate topic correctly, this would not suffice. However, you didn't, which means that this is in no way any evidence towards your case. Which is that 80 popes killed 50 million people. Conclusion: Pro has not provided any evidence for their case. The evidence they did provide does in no way link to their claim. Kind regards, I am looking forward to your next roundReport this Argument Pro http://www.cuttingedge.org... Title: THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL Resources to aid your Understanding Understanding The Horrific Sex Abuse by Priests "Catholicism: The Church On Haunted Hill" New DVD by Bill Schnoebelen How Demonic Forces Have Shaped Catholicism Subtitle: In NEWS1675, we revealed that one of the psychological devices priests used to get their female penitents to have sex with them was the threat to lie to the "Holy" Inquisition, so the woman would be torturously murdered. Since history books have been largely rewritten, few people know specific details of this murderous campaign that lasted over 1,200 years, killing 75 million people. But, once you understand the unprecedented horrors of the Inquisition, you will never look at Roman Catholicism the same way again. The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!! Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones! Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again. YOU ARE NOW ON THE CUTTING EDGE The Roman Catholic Inquisition was one of the greatest disasters ever to befall mankind. In the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain. Heretics is defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magick Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers. Slaughtering one's enemies is clearly rotten spiritual fruit. During the early part of His ministry, Jesus was approached by two of His disciples -- James and John -- who had just returned from preaching the Gospel message throughout parts of Israel. These two disciples were upset, for some entire towns had refused to even hear their message; they asked the Lord: "Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?" [Luke 9:54] Jesus was horrified. He replied: "You do not know of what sort of spirit you are, for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them from the penalty of eternal death." [Luke 9:55-56; Parallel KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary] Let us repeat that most pertinent phrase: "the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives". Nowhere in Holy Scripture did Jesus ever slaughter anyone who disagreed with him, nor did He ever advocate any of his followers doing so. Neither does any Apostle give this command to the Church later in the New Testament. In another passage, Jesus reveals the kind of sweet spirit He is introducing to the world. Listen: "Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest (relief and ease, refreshment, recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls. For My yoke is wholesome (useful, good -- not harsh, sharp, or pressing, but comfortable, gracious, and pleasant) and My burden is light and easy to be borne." [Matthew 11:29-30; Parallel KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary] Our precious Savior never ordered anyone to be slaughtered for any reason, especially for hardness of heart against His message, nor for disagreeing with Him on spiritual matters. But -- and this is a very big 'but' -- pagans regularly move to slaughter their opponents, usually with great relish and hardness of heart. In such slaughters, murder is not enough; rather, before the victim dies, pagans absolutely relish inflicting maximum pain upon their victims. White and Black Magick practitioners believe that the pain inflicted before death transfers great occult power to them, so they try to draw out a person's death as long as possible, inflicting the greatest amount of pain possible before death comes. Skilled Inquisition executioners would bring a victim to the point of death many times, only to stop the torture so the victim could revive, so they could be tortured again. Therefore, the monstrosity of the Inquisition stands before mankind as the ultimate evidence of the inherent Satanism of the Roman Catholic Church. For those who have the courage to examine this ultimate "rotten fruit", they will see the truth of the Catholic Church. And do not think Rome has changed, for the Bible tells us that a Leopard does not change its spots [Jeremiah 13:23], and Rome is always bragging that she never changes. A concrete proof of this fact is that Pope Paul VI (1963-1978) restored the Office of the Inquisition, renamed today as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ["Lives of the Popes", by Richard P. McBrien, HarperSanFrancisco, 1997, p. 282, 354]. Today, this nefarious Office of the Inquisition is headed by Cardinal Ratzinger. Why would Pope Paul VI reinstate the Office of the Inquisition unless he knew it would soon be needed again? With all prophecies of the appearance of Antichrist coming true together, just as Jesus mandated [Matthew 24:32-34], the time must have appeared right for Paul VI to reinstate this bloody office, for even though the original Inquisition killed tens of millions in 1,200 years, prophecy tells us that the False Prophet will kill billions in 3 1/2 years! Since the Roman Catholic Pope was chosen as the future False Prophet [Read NEWS1052 and NEWS1285], it makes sense that the Office of Inquisition be reinstated. BOLD TRUTH OR SENSITIVITY CAMOUFLAGE? We have struggled with the Inquisition details we have uncovered, for to write in such a way as to fully expose the barbarity and unchristian nature of the Roman Catholic Inquisition, we fear we might scandalize our wonderful Christian readers; we fear we might have to write and show pictures that will offend Christian sensibilities, in order to fully expose the terrible, and often pornographic, truth. This is one action we do not want to take. In reading books from 50-150 years ago, we see Christian authors struggling with this very question; they decided to "sanitize" the truth so no Christian sensibilities are offended. Yet, their books hide the true horror of the Roman Catholic Church! In this End of the Age, where Antichrist is apparently near, when the False Prophet has been selected and he is the Pope, and when the Liberal Protestant Church is cozying up to the very beast that slaughtered up to 75 million Protestants, we have concluded that the time has come to take the "sensibility blinders off". We will quote Catholic documents just as they were printed, so you can see the true face of this beast that slaughtered 75-100 million people over 1,200 years; if you think you will be offended, do not read the rest of the article [rest assured we will not depict gross immorality, as we have filtered that out]. We present to the world a lengthy expose' on the true face of the Roman Catholic practice of occult worship in the guise of Christianity. By the end of this article, you shall see how it is possible that the current priestly pedophile sex scandals could occur and could be covered up by the Church hierarchy. You will see how hard of heart a priest had to have been to threaten his female penitent with the Inquisition if she refused to have sex with him; truly, such a priest had a "conscience seared as with a hot iron", and he represented the majority of Catholic priests [Read NEWS1675]. This is the face of Rome. FEMALE PENITENTS THREATENED WITH INQUISITION UNLESS THEY HAD SEX WITH THE PRIEST In NEWS1675, we revealed that priests threatened their female penitents in the confessional that, unless they would have sex with them, they would turn them into the Inquisition! So effective was this threat that one dying priest revealed in 1710, "by these diabolical persuasions they were at our command, without fear of revealing the secret." [Page 36, "MASTER-KEY TO POPERY", Father Givens] Since so few people today have been taught even the rudiments of history, most do not know what the Inquisition was REALLY and TRULY like. Most people today have no idea of the rampant barbarism and torture wreaked upon the unfortunate inhabitants of Europe for 1,200 years! Most people have no idea how the entire population was consumed by fear, for a knock on one's door in the middle of the night meant immediate beginning of a torturous death at the hands of the Inquisitors. Accusation equaled Guilty. Therefore, if a priest threatened a woman that he would lie about her to the officers of the "Holy" Inquisition, she knew the type of torture and death that awaited her. The priest would probably report the woman to the Inquisitors as a witch. As you shall see in a few moments, the Inquisitors treated alleged witches with special relish, glee, and attention. In this treatise, we have attempted to walk a fine line between Christian modesty and a fervent desire that you should know the fullness of truth regarding the Inquisition. Since many of the victims were stripped nude and tortured publicly, or stripped nude and raped privately, we have had to weed out numerous drawings that depicted such nudity; however, we have included a couple of pictures which, even though they depict the nudity of the victim, do so in such a way as to not depict sexual body parts. We hope your sensibilities are not offended. If you think they might be, you may stop reading now. DRAWINGS TELL THE STORY OF THE INQUISITION Many of the victims were simply burned at the stake, as you can see here. Such burnings were usually carried out in public, so the population would see with their own eyes what happens to anyone who crosses Rome. However, most of the people who were publicly burned were first privately tortured. All over Europe, Kings and his subjects knew that the Pope's torturers were absolutely the best; they could force "confessions" through such skilled torture techniques that a King knew he could call upon them if his own men could not get the confession. You see, confessions provided the thin facade of responsibility; a King could show a confession from a victim to the public to convince them that this torture and death was justified. A secular historian -- John J. Robinson -- provides a unique glimpse into this dark, dank world of Papal torture and murder in the year, 1310. Writing in his book, "Born In Blood: The Lost Secrets of Masonry", Robinson reveals: "Two years went by, and the Templars being questioned without torture confessed nothing, constantly reaffirming their innocence ... In response to a papal demand that torture be applied, [King] Edward replied that torture had never played a role in either ecclesiastic or secular jurisprudence in England, so that he didn't even have anyone in the kingdom who knew how to do it. Exasperated, [Pope] Clement V wrote, warning Edward that he must look to the fate of his own soul in thus flouting the direct orders of the vicar of Christ on earth, and saying that he would try just one more time, giving King Edward the benefit of the doubt. The pope was dispatching ten skilled torturers to England in the charge of two experienced Dominicans; now Edward would be out of excuses .... It says something of the Pope's resolve that he took time out of his holy office on Christmas Eve, 1310, to deal with the problem of the captive Templars. His Christmas gift to the people of England was the introduction into their legal system of interrogation by torture." [Page 148] Even though Emperor Constantine (321) began the policy of suppressing all people and doctrine not in conformity to official dogma, most scholars place the beginning of the official Inquisition to Pope Theodore I (642-649), who began the practice of dipping his pen into consecrated wine before signing the death warrants of heretics. ["The Magic of Obelisks", by Peter Thomkins, p. 55] In the book, "Lives of the Popes", we learn that the "consecrated wine" by which Pope Theodore I signed these death warrants was Eucharistic wine [McBrien, P. 105]. The Inquisition was started back in this period, and was aimed at the "heresies" of the Hermetic Philosophers, i.e., the Black Magick practitioners of Europe. In this picture, you can see the fear that the early Inquisition generated amongst the general population in the villages and cities; the officers of the Inquisition would march into the town, armed with the Papal Bull that authorized the top leader of the Papal forces that have entered the city. The top Vatican official would march to the city center square, and surrounded by heavily armed soldiers, would read the Papal declaration. Once the declaration from the Pope was read, the soldiers would begin to arrest the "heretics" -- defined as disagreeing with the Church of Rome. Roman dogma was the standard, not the pure Holy Bible. Just as pagans have always done throughout every era, the Roman Catholics utilized pain and torture for the sheer panic it spread among the people. In this picture, we see a Catholic Bishop having his eyes put out for some type of heresy of which he was accused and for which he would not repent. Eye piercing was generally given to a learned person because their livelihood and their passion was academic pursuit. After their eyes were put out, they were usually destitute and could no longer influence people with their "heresy" any longer. Truly, these terrified villagers discovered firsthand that the yoke of Rome was horrible, heavy to be borne, and terribly oppressive. The light yoke of the Savior seemed like a distant memory, lost in the mists of many centuries, hidden by the veil of pagan Rome. Once the "heretics" were arrested and gathered at the site chosen for the public executions, sheer hysteria would grip the soldiers of the Vatican as they began their slaughter. Occultists have no difficulty seeing the heavy, pervasive influence of the demonic host sweeping through these soldiers. Once they began to kill, they were suddenly seething with the sheer power of demons. Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, writing of his personal observations during the Communist slaughters in Russia and China wrote: "Revolutions do not cause love to triumph. Rather, killing becomes a mania. In the Russian and Chinese revolutions, after the Communists had murdered tens of millions of innocents, they could not stop murdering, and brutally killed one another ... Communism is collective demon possession." ["Marx & Satan", by Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, p. 107-108] Black Magick practitioners will tell you that the entire 1,200 year period of the Inquisition represented the height of demonic infestation in all of European history. The "Holy" Inquisition was "collective demon possession", as you shall see after examining the Catholic document which undergirded the entire 1,200 years of murder. Stay with us, so you shall know the truth. The death told was immeasurable: "And so was inflicted on the south of France one of the ferocious massacres in history. Bands of northern brigands pillaged and plundered. In the Cathedral of Saint-Nazaire, twelve thousand 'heretics' were killed ... Those who tried to flee were cut down and butchered. Thousands more were burned at the stake. At Toulouse, Bishop Foulque put to death ten thousand people accused of heresy. At Beziers the entire population of more than twenty thousand was slaughtered. At Citeau, when asked how to distinguish Catholics from Catherists, the abbe replied with his famed cynicism: 'Kill them all; God will know his own'." [Thompkins, P. 58] It is no secret why the soldiers of the Inquisition chose burning at the stake as one of their favorite methods of execution. Satan literally trembles with fear at the thought of his ultimate home in the Lake of Fire. During this time, he loves to burn as many people as they can at the stake. He truly loved burning Protestants at the stake, for this very reason. During such annual sacrifices as the 13-Day Sacrifice to the Beast -- April 19 - May 1 -- their human sacrifices must be by fire, and must produce as much human terror as possible. A sacrifice to Lord Satan that is most pleasing contains the following elements, with each element exaggerated to the highest possible degree 1. Trauma, stress, and mental anguish, sheer terror 2. The final act in the drama should be destruction by a fire, preferably a conflagration. 3. People must die as human sacrifices [Covered in NEWS1347] After the slaughtering had begun, the Vatican decided the effort was so worthwhile that it needed to be systematic, not dependent totally upon local Catholic leaders. At this time, the Office of the Inquisition was established. Not only did this office provide central leadership to the slaughter, it was able to use the resources of the Catholic Church to better train executioners and, most importantly of all, to train carefully chosen sadistic men how to be the best torturers in the world. While much of the killing was carried out in public, the torturing to obtain "confessions" was accomplished in secret rooms, usually in a dungeon within a church, specifically designed for torture. In this picture, we can see a man hanging by ropes tied behind his back, while an Inquisition official was preparing to torture a prisoner through the use of a hot tong that he would soon shove up the man's toenails. In the middle, a prisoner is on a stretcher that is being pulled by ropes and pulleys into a vertical hanging position, in which he would remain for hours, and vulnerable to all sorts of tortures through violence done to the ears, eyes, nose, and mouth. From this position, as well as in the hanging you see in the upper left, a person's joints could easily be pulled out of joint, producing excruciating pain. As we stated earlier, accusation of a crime equaled being guilty. No condemned person ever won their case, ever beat the charge and walked free. You can see this poor accused man before the priests conducting the show trial. The crucifix to which the friar is pointing is hanging to the right of the accused, as these men thought their torturous activities were really serving and advancing the Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Well did Jesus speak of these men when He said: "... the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." [John 16:2] This prophecy describes the entire Roman Catholic Inquisition perfectly! For 1,200 years, hundreds of thousands of loyal Catholics tortured and slaughtered tens of millions of "heretics", thinking they were serving the Savior by obeying the cruel dictates of the Pope. They really thought they were "doing God a service". Then, Jesus tells us why these men could do such terrible things to believers in the name of God. "And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." [John 16:3] There you have it, from the lips of the Savior; these poor deluded Catholics carried out these horrible tortures in full view of the Crucifix because neither they, nor the Bishops, Cardinals, and Pope knew Jesus Christ! They were the counterfeit Christians of which Jesus spoke: "... having two horns like a lamb, but speaking as a dragon". [Revelation 13:11] Counterfeit Christians! In this picture, you see a most common form of torture. This poor man has been bound with a tight broad cord around his neck and his waist, both of which are fastened to a small board resembling a door. Then, the man's feet have been placed in stocks, with the soles facing a very hot bowl of burning charcoal. This doomed man is going to be tortured with fire to his feet while his neck is going to be increasingly constricted by the band attached to the door. The terrified expression on his face tells the full story, don't you think? Remember, in Witchcraft, greater occult power flows to the perpetrators of the Satanic sacrifice if the victim suffers horribly. Thus, a witch sacrificing the victim will go to great lengths to visit maximum pain to the victim as the victim is slowing dying from torture. All this hatred and all this planned torture makes a great deal of sense once you understand this principle of Witchcraft. THE TORTURE GETS MORE SOPHISTICATED As the Inquisition rolled along, another demonic spirit swept through the Church and the people carrying out the Inquisition. This spirit was a spirit of absolute, diabolical hatred of mankind, accompanied by a corresponding love of torture. If you look closely, you can see some wealthy people sitting on the other side of the plate glass window, looking at this poor man being tortured, as if they were watching an opera! Women as well as men were watching this poor man slowly die as he rotated on this very sharp point. The man is suspended with these many ropes so he can be rotated on that exceedingly sharp point sticking into his anus. The pain was incalculable and quickly unbearable. We have other pictures of women being suspended on this same type of sharp point, which is sticking into her female organ! In the Inquisition, pain inflicted on sexual organs was very prevalent, another clear sign of the sexual obsession brought on by the perversions of celibacy. This type of sexual perversion has occurred in every Mysteries Religions in all of history: the Babylonian Satanic Mysteries, Egyptian Mysteries, the Greek Mysteries, and the Mysteries of Imperial Rome. Celibate Catholic priests were just the latest to feel the scourge of sexual perversion brought on by celibacy. WOMEN FELT A SPECIAL FEAR OF THE INQUISITION If a woman was accused of being a witch, she was in for very special torture from this sex-starved clergy. As you will discover when you read "The Malleus Maleficarium", women were specially targeted for persecution as potential, or suspected, witches. If a woman was merely thrown off a high place, as we see here, she could count herself fortunate to die a quick and relatively painless death. As we shall demonstrate, a demonic spirit of sexual obsession and deviant lust blew through this entire Inquisition after the introduction of "The Malleus Maleficarium"; Pope Innocent III issued the Papal Bull on December 5, 1484, that established this document as the standard by which the Inquisition was to be conducted. Celibacy had been in existence at this point for 361 years, enough time for priests to be truly sexually deviant. This sexual obsession quickly grew to the point where a woman lived in fear that one day, out of the blue, she would be accused by some nameless wretch of being a witch; since accusation equaled guilt, that woman could expect a slow, torturous death at the hands of sexually deviant celibate priests. This statement is historic fact, and we shall prove it, through the official document of the Roman Catholic "Holy" Inquisition, "The Malleus Maleficarium". We have declined to put in most of the pictures we have depicting women of this era being sexually abused, and scorned during the time of the Inquisition, simply because we do not want to show sexual body parts on this website; however, this picture does demonstrate the fact that women were sexually abused during the Inquisition, without being so visually graphic. Here, you see a condemned woman, accused of being a witch, stripped naked and forced to crawl in front of the leering crowd to a crate where she will be placed and then hung up off the ground for all to see. Catholic priests believed that a witch lost her powers when she was suspended off the ground; therefore, when Soldiers of the Inquisition arrested a woman accused of being a witch, they would pull her physically off the ground and carry her to the dungeon of confinement. This drawing captures the essence of this ridiculous belief. One of the most heinous of all torture devices used against women in the Inquisition were these "Witch-prickers", pictured here. As you can see, these are really knives. "The Malleus Maleficarium" declared that witches have a "Devil's Mark" somewhere on their body. This required the priestly investigator to indulge himself in carrying out closer scrutiny by stripping the poor woman totally naked and giving her a close inspection. This inspection was often carried out amidst a crowd of men who were merely acting as voyeurs, but ostensibly "forced" to witness this "inspection" because of their religious duty! "To increase the number of hits [stab wounds], the subtle notion was concocted that the devil's mark left a spot insensible to pain, only discernible by an inspector probing with a sharp prick [one of these knives]. Thus was raised a whole guild of 'witch-prickers' paid only when they discovered a witch, which in turn led to the 'foolproof' system of using an auxiliary retractable prick. The official 'pricker', having painfully, and visibly, drawn blood from several spots on a naked victim, would painlessly plunge the substitute bodkin [knife] to the hilt, astounding the crowd, and ensuring his fee for a witch delivered to trial." [Thomkins, p. 391] In other words, this retractable knife would not penetrate the skin when it was forcefully thrust upon the woman, but would retract into the handle as it was designed to do. But, the crowd would not know this, and would believe that the reason the woman did not scream, and did not pour forth blood even though she had just been stabbed, was because she was a witch. These "witch-prickers" looked for other "Devil's Marks" on the woman's body as well. "According to the Church, somewhere on the body of a female witch, the devil left his mark, the obvious of which was a supernumerary nipple -- 'sure sign' of dedication to the many-breasted goddess Diana, queen of the witches. And, as the modern medical profession estimates that three out of a hundred have such vestiges, the chances of 'netting' a witch were considerable. [NOTE: the dictionary defines "supernumerary" as having more than the standard; therefore, a woman with more than one nipple has a "supernumerary nipple"] Certainly, celibate, "chaste" priests would be very interested in examining 100 women to find the three who had a "supernumerary nipple"! But, the "witch-prickers" would stab each and every one of these "Devil's Marks" with one of these "prickers", these nasty looking knives. Since the entire episode was conducted by a celibate, "chaste" priest, they would get mightily sexually aroused by "examining" women in this manner. Thus, you can understand the next revelation from Thomkins. "... there was that depraved compulsion, described by Wilhelm Reich as the 'emotional plague', whereby a pox of sexually malfunctioning 'armored' individuals, unable to enjoy the pleasure of natural lovemaking, set about relieving their pent-up sexuality through ripping, tearing, and burning the very flesh they could neither kiss, caress, nor inflame with pleasure." [Ibid.] Thus, Celibacy -- the "doctrine that demons teach" -- invaded and took over a huge part of the "Holy" Inquisition. Satan found it easy to invade the Catholic Church this mightily, for he had been moving them into the practice of witchcraft since 321 AD, when Constantine asserted his rule over the church. By the time this period of the Inquisition began, the Church had been separated from the True Vine -- Jesus -- for 800 years. Therefore, the standing timber was very dry, susceptible to the fires from Hell that Satan blew, using the Inquisition. A Black Magick practitioner will tell you that the demonic spirit from the sexual demon, Larz, and his demonic host, virtually took over the Inquisition with their sexual lust and obsessions, a take-over made extremely easy by the imposition of celibacy. Priests became murderers, rapists, and sexual voyeurs. As many as 75 million people paid the ultimate price, while many millions more were intimidated, tortured, and forced into having sex by a priest wielding this terrible weapon at the woman with whom he was trying to get into bed! [Continue with Part 2 of this article] Return to: Cutting Edge Home Page Index of Free Radio Show Transcripts Currently In The News Newsletters Archives Freemasonry Corner Meet the Staff From A Pastor's Heart Supporting Your Internet Outreach Ministry Cutting Edge Seminars On Tape Cutting Edge Book Store Thus Saith Rome Teachings From the CatechismReport this Argument Con And with that I mean stop plagiarizing arguments. I think you wrote around 27. And 5339 words you copied. That's 5366 in total. Good job, that's around 0.5% that you actually wrote yourself. And still, even with those 99.5% that you copied, not one single mention about Popes killing anyone. And that is what this debate is about. About Pro proving that 80 Popes killed 50 million people. And until now, Pro has in no way provided anything. Conclusion:Pro still needs to provide evidence, as stated in round 1 already, however, it seems like Pro has not actually read these rounds. Report this Argument Pro Evidences are the fact that popes have a cruelty rezime years ago. Dont you know it? Shame on youReport this Argument Con This will just be a short round. No, evidence is never a fact. That is impossible. You can prove a fact with evidence, however, evidence cannot be a fact. Also, if something happened years ago, it is 'had' and not 'have'. And regime is spelled with a g and not a z. And I know about the role of the catholic church in the majority of genocides and persecutions arising from the European area in the mediaevals very well, most likely better than you. However, we are not debating here if this happened, nor if one or several Popes initiated this, but that, as the title implies, 80 popes killed 50 million individuals with their own hands or by means directly linked to them. And until now Pro has not provided any actual evidence of this. Therefore, Con still has their round 1 as the standing argument, as Pro has neither attempted any rebuttals, nor provided evidence of facts (supported by evidence). Kind regards, I am looking forward to the next round.Report this Argument Pro DIKFans forfeited this round. Con WAM forfeited this round.
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Posted by WAM 2 years ago
Oh damn... I didn't want to forfeit that round....
Posted by Geogeer 2 years ago
That is okay dsjpk5, it is an unwinnable debate. (S)he does believe it and thus Pro wins!
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
European population today is 500 million. That would put your claim at 10% of the total current number, and yet, your claim is NOT common knowledge. Weird!
Posted by Geogeer 2 years ago
Put your arguments on paper instead on a rambling youtube video and I might take you up on it...
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