The Instigator
obobhoho
Pro (for)
Losing
4 Points
The Contender
Jonbonbon
Con (against)
Winning
9 Points

I will lose this debate

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Post Voting Period
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after 4 votes the winner is...
Jonbonbon
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/1/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 603 times Debate No: 55899
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (6)
Votes (4)

 

obobhoho

Pro

Now I will win, because if I do win, I will... win, and if I do lose, I will lose, but my prediction will be correct.

Now outsmart me.
Jonbonbon

Con

You have the same problem in this debate.

You can't be proven until the voting period is up, which is when no one will be able to vote on your validity. Until then you can't substantiate your position. Since you can't substantiate your position, I negate you simply by disagreeing with you.

That means I win.
Debate Round No. 1
obobhoho

Pro

Again, if I lose, I will be correct, and as I disagree with you, this is a interesting debate. We have no supporting arguments, and so there is one person on each side. Predicting the outcome, I think this will be a draw.
Jonbonbon

Con

I'm going to explain the burden of proof of my opponent using math.

He must support his position at any number greater than zero.

Let's say an assertion/opinion is equal to y

Supporting evidence is the variable x whereas x is greater than zero.

My side is the same.

To determine the winner mathematically, you must figure out whether pro has been negated.

So if an assertion y is pitted against an assertion y, then we take y-y.

No matter what number y is y-y=0

Since 0 is not greater than 0, my opponent has been negated by me simply disagreeing with him.
Debate Round No. 2
obobhoho

Pro

However, You must support your side at any number less than zero, and so we, again will tie. So far, we are at zero, so without any valid evidence, there is no way to win or lose this, making it a draw.
Jonbonbon

Con

No this is not true. It is the negative's burden to negate. That means to make sure that mathematically the affirmative side is at zero or lesser than zero. I do not have to prove lesser than zero. I just have to prove at most zero. If I prove zero then I win. I have proven zero. Therefore I win.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by obobhoho 2 years ago
obobhoho
PS, if you voted, check out "I will lose", same debaters.
Posted by obobhoho 2 years ago
obobhoho
NOW it gets interesting...
Posted by revic 2 years ago
revic
I hope this debate gets tied!
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Who?
Posted by Unspired 2 years ago
Unspired
What have you done..
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Troll you once, shame on me.

Troll you twice, shame on you.

Care for a third time?
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Vote Placed by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro, I don't get into the predicting game. Your arguments were just not there. Con provided a better foundation and premises for her argument.
Vote Placed by Mikal 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Well your winning so you lost, 3 points to con which actually favors the resolution which in turn negates it.
Vote Placed by johnlubba 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: So far Pro has upheld the resolution in inciting that he will lose this debate, thus far as it stands I can only award points in regards to the resolution therefore Pro wins arguments. Also Con's formatting in round two of typing in lines instead of a paragraph was a bit off putting.
Vote Placed by Ragnar 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Nice use of math in this, and a desperate plea to change numbers around... I suppose this is really an easy choice, I wholly agree with pro, he will lose the debate. Agreeing with him, is not something that awards points, putting forward a stronger argument is.