The Instigator
obobhoho
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
Jonbonbon
Con (against)
Winning
15 Points

I will lose

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after 5 votes the winner is...
Jonbonbon
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/1/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,177 times Debate No: 55897
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (7)
Votes (5)

 

obobhoho

Pro

Who can outsmart the logic of me...
Jonbonbon

Con

Since there were no specifications provided, I'm going to provide some clarifications of the resolution.

"I will lose" is a vague resolution that cannot be proven. There is no object that my opponent can lose under the resolution. So either the resolution is moot by simple analysis of terms, or we have an object.

Now, since my opponent has not specified an object, I'll provide an object. I'm going to say my opponent is talking about his video game that he's going to play in four weeks. Even if he doesn't play video games, that is now the object to be lost.

So either the resolution has no substance (negated), or my opponent is wrong/has no way to substantiate his position because it's four weeks from now (negated).

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
obobhoho

Pro

In this case, we are at a draw. No one has any idea what will happen in four weeks, so I may lose, or I may win, or I may not play at all. (As a matter of fact, I do play video games.) But, you have no proof either. So, we come to a tie.
Jonbonbon

Con

My opponent suffers from a fatal flaw in the understanding of my duty as con.

As con, I must negate the affirmative position. If the negative side at least is proven to be exactly as reliably correct as the affirmative (as was just proven by my opponent) then negative wins because affirmative has been negated.

My burden is not to prove the negative side. I just have to entirely disprove the affirmative side.

Thank you for reading.

And when you start troll debates, expect a troll to accept.
Debate Round No. 2
obobhoho

Pro

You still have not done your job. You cannot disprove the fact that I will lose any more than I can prove it. If, like you said, you cannot "entirely disprove the affirmative side," then I have won this debate.
Jonbonbon

Con

My opponent is not proven. I have proven that my opponent is not proven. This means he is disproven.

I'm going to explain the burden of proof of my opponent using math.

He must support his position at any number greater than zero.

Let's say an assertion/opinion is equal to y

Supporting evidence is the variable x whereas x is greater than zero.

My side is the same.

To determine the winner mathematically, you must figure out whether pro has been negated.

So if an assertion y is pitted against an assertion y, then we take y-y.

No matter what number y is y-y=0

Since 0 is not greater than 0, my opponent has been negated by me simply disagreeing with him.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Don't feel bad. Everyone gets trolled once in a while.
Posted by obobhoho 2 years ago
obobhoho
gg...:(
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
There are other ways to win this debate, but I chose this one.
Posted by obobhoho 2 years ago
obobhoho
Yea... I need to be more careful when doing the title.
Posted by MastrDebator 2 years ago
MastrDebator
so far Jonbonbon just pwned you bro
Posted by obobhoho 2 years ago
obobhoho
You suck.
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Trollololololol
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Vote Placed by FuzzyCatPotato 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: BOP
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Reasons for voting decision: Or provided no real arguments and attempted to switch the BOP
Vote Placed by Ragnar 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Dismissing the math added in the final round... However yes I agree with con, he will lose, he convinced me of this fact.
Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Tie. Neither committed any conduct violations or gave reason to award points to one over the other. S & G - Tie. Neither committed any spelling or grammatical errors. Arguments - Con. Pro failed to uphold his burden as shown by Con. Not only did she show the flaw within his own resolution which would already cost him the win, but furthermore, she went on to show in an extremely confusing last round how Pro, ultimately, never had a chance due to her negating his un-affirmed claim that he will lose. Sources - Tie. Neither utilized sources in this debate. I would suggest Pro watch how he words his resolution when trying to do a debate of this nature.
Vote Placed by Defro 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro has not met his BoP. Con has successfully negated the resolution, though she could've made it much simpler to understand. I had to read her last argument twice to understand. Therefore, arguments go to Con.