The Instigator
wjmelements
Pro (for)
Losing
28 Points
The Contender
mongeese
Con (against)
Winning
54 Points

I will not break a rule.

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after 14 votes the winner is...
mongeese
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/22/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,485 times Debate No: 8385
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (8)
Votes (14)

 

wjmelements

Pro

0. By accepting this debate, my opponent agrees to all the rulse already posted.
This debate poses off of another debate that was quite comical to me.

1. Rules created hold power over all rules posted later, and no later rule can contradict an earlier rule.

2. Both players should still have the ability to post rules in their turn.

3. A violation of a rule that is not null and void will result in the rule-breaker losing this debate.

4. A player may only do something besides make rules to discuss whether one has broken a rule, or whether a rule is null.

5. Not counting these foundation rules, each player can only create 3 rules per turn.

6. Each player must produce 3 rules per round or they forfeit.

7. Rules cannnot result in an auto-win. Breaking a rule cannot result in the victory of the rule-breaker. Each player should have an oppportunity to not break each rule.

8. A voter must default all categories to the victor of the debate.

(End Foundation Rules)

1. CON opponent must use the passive voice and proper grammar for all rules.

2. CON cannot use any of the following words in his rules: can may not allow permit PRO CON no a an will rule rules state English speak say saying my instigated permitted allowed stated spoken said

3. For every round, CON must post a Youtube video that has German audio and English subtitles.
mongeese

Con

1. All restrictions placed on mongeese by wjmelements must also be followed by wjmelements.

2. Eight thousand characters must be used in each of wjmelements' arguments.

3. Each of wjmelements' sentences must be completed with the letter "Q," with different words ending in "Q" being used for each sentence.
Debate Round No. 1
wjmelements

Pro

(Rule 4 Interjection: My opponent has broken a rule. My opponent's third rule is impossible to follow, because there are only 12 words that end in the letter Q. http://www.yourdictionary.com...

Because I am also required to use eight thousand characters and use the passive voice, this is impossible. I have no chance of following my opponent's rule. Because of this, it has broken foundation rule 7 and foundation rule 2. Because of foundation rule 3, my opponent has lost. Further, his third rule is now null and void as implied by founation rule 4.

There is truly no reason to go on, so I will continue nontheless.)

(It is also necessary to point out that my opponent's rule 1 does not apply to any first round PRO rules because no restrictions were placed on mongeese. They were placed on CON. When applied to WJMELEMENTS, these rules still read "CON cannot..." and do not affect PRO.)

1. CON may not mention usernames after round one.

2. CON must make three rules in round 2 that regulate which Youtube videos he may choose from.

3. Future Youtube videos must not be animated.

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mongeese

Con

(My opponent claims that my rules are impossible to follow. However, this is not so. The list that my opponent cites does not mention some key words, such as Iraq and Compaq. http://www.compaq.com...
It is very easy to make a rule in the passive voice that uses any number of characters. For example, he could have said, "Usernames must never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever... be mentioned by my opponent, unless he is being detained in Iraq." He only needed three sentences, so picking three words would be easy, although awkward. Therefore, rather than my breaking a rule, my opponent has broken a rule by failing to end each of his sentences with the letter "Q.")

(Furthermore, I believe that my opponent has broken a rule. According to my Rule #1, Round 1, the restrictions placed on me are also applied to my opponent. The restrictions are what are looked at, rather than the actual rule. Therefore, because my opponent restricted me from posting an argument that lacked a German video with English subtitles, it is a restriction placed on me by my opponent, so the same restriction must be followed by my opponent, as in Rule #1. Because my opponent did not post any videos, and used forbidden words in his rules, and has not only been speaking in passive tense, he has broken three rules.)

1. A video that has any amount of German audio and any amount of English subtitles must be posted by me.

2. A video that is in color must be posted by me.

3. A video that has at least 10 views must be posted by me.
Debate Round No. 2
wjmelements

Pro

(Rule 4 Interjection: It was impossible to follow said rule three because I would be required to use 8000 characters and proper grammar. This would obviously have required more than the 3 sentences my opponent claims. Even with the now-total of 14 words, it is impossible. But this is not truly relevant:
My opponent's third rule is overridden by foundation rule 1 in that it contradicts earlier rules posted [because my earlier rules did not end in Q. Because of this, he had broken foundation rule 1 as well. For this reason as well, his first round thrid rule was void and he loses.

In addition, I am not opponent's first round rule 1 because I would still be following the restrictions I put on mongeese, because I am still following the restrictions "CON cannot..." and "CON must..." [etc]. Therefore, I have not broken any rules.
Follow means:
-to be or act in accordance with http://www.merriam-webster.com...
So, my opponent's claim that he was restricted by these rules doesn't really matter. The debater known as wjmelements followed every restriction that he had placed on Mongeese. I have not broken any rules.)

1. CON must make three rules in round 3 that eliminate words from which he may use.

2. CON must not use sources in the next round.

3. CON must not post any more comments to this debate.
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mongeese

Con

(My opponent claims that my rule broke Foundation Rule #1. However, this is not true. My rule did not contradict any rules; it merely required my opponent to end sentences in a special way. There were no previous rules that said that sentences could end in anything other than "Q," and thus, my rule did not break Foundation Rule #1.)
(It is very easy to use 8,000 characters and follow proper grammar. If you just repeat the word "ever" or "very" enough times, you will reach 8,000 characters in three sentences, or even one sentence, and you would still follow proper grammar. Or, of course, you could use a mass of "+"s and "-"s. My opponent claims that it is impossible, but he fails to back up his claim.)
(My opponent has also broken rules by not obeying restrictions that he put on me. His rule specified CON, but the restriction was on me. Thus, his rules are restrictions placed by himself on me, and he must then follow those restrictions. The rule imposed a restriction; while the rule specified CON, the restriction was, in fact, on me. Therefore, the word "CON" is irrelevant, because it is still a restriction placed on me, and has not been followed by my opponent. My opponent placed a restriction on me by saying that CON couldn't use the active voice. This is a restriction placed on me by my opponent. Thus, by my first rule, this restriction must also be followed by my opponent. He has broken countless rules:
1. He has posted most of his rules in the active voice, rather than the passive voice, which fails to comply with the combination of my first rule and his own first rule.
2. Almost all of his sentences failed to be completed with the letter "Q," which fails to comply with my third rule.
3. He has used the words "CON," "may," and "not," which do not comply with the combination of my first rule and his own second rule.
By breaking four rules, my opponent loses the debate.)

1. Countries in South America cannot be mentioned by me.
2. The names of Presidents of South American countries cannot be mentioned by me.
3. Words that use the letter "�" cannot be mentioned by me.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
But I didn't break a rule.

"1. All restrictions placed on mongeese by wjmelements must also be followed by wjmelements."

Example:
"1. CON opponent must use the passive voice and proper grammar for all rules."
I agree that this is a restriction on CON.
Now, I am following it (though it doesn't apply to me...).

The same applies to when one says "Lesbians must wear shoes."
Just because I am not a Lesbian, am I breaking the law?
Posted by majormerak 7 years ago
majormerak
CON = mongeese, I think wjelements's argument falls through there. Plus, he doesn't even try to not break a rule, just complains about it...
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
THat sounds lame of him.
Posted by mongoose 7 years ago
mongoose
mongeese wants me to post his comments for him. Hm...
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Usernames must never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever everever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be mentioned by mongeese, unless he is detained by Iraq.

There.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
I love these debates!
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
I'm just going to assume the first two questions to be true and get this over with.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Questions:
1. If neither player breaks a rule, is the vote a tie?
2. If both players break a rule, is the vote a tie?
3. Why did I bother to ask this third question?
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