The Instigator
MTGandP
Pro (for)
Winning
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Xer
Con (against)
Losing
42 Points

I will not break a rule.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/7/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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MTGandP

Pro

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Foundation Rules
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0. By accepting this debate, my opponent agrees to all the rules already posted.

1. Rules created hold power over all rules posted later, and no later rule can contradict an earlier rule.

2. Both players should still have the ability to post rules in their turn.

3. A violation of a rule that is not null and void will result in the rule-breaker losing this debate.

4. A player may only do something besides make rules to discuss whether one has broken a rule, or whether a rule is null.

5. Not counting these foundation rules, each player can only create 3 rules per round.

6. Each player must produce 3 rules per round or they forfeit.

7. Rules cannnot result in an auto-win. Breaking a rule cannot result in the victory of the rule-breaker. Each player should have an oppportunity to not break each rule.

8. A voter must default all categories to the victor of the debate.

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Round Rules
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1. Pro is not required to follow any restrictions originating from a rule created by Pro.

2. Every round, Con must post a video of a non-human animal dancing in a human style of dance. Every video must be unique. Cartoon animals are allowed if and only if the cartoon animal in the video is green.

3. Each of Con's rules must contain exactly seven words that do not start with the letter "h" and exactly five words that do start with the letter "h".
Xer

Con

---Rules---

1. Pro must post a video of himself playing Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos.
http://www.hasbro.com...

2. Pro must write a haiku about Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos in English.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

3. Pro must always refer to Con as "Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos" henceforth.
Debate Round No. 1
MTGandP

Pro

1. The season is true–
Perhaps through Hungry Hippos
will hippos eat lots.

2. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must use exactly six words per round that rhyme with "lunch"; these words need not be unique.

3. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must post a video of Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos brushing someone else's teeth.
Xer

Con

Foundation Rule #6 Interjection-
"6. Each player must produce 3 rules per round or they forfeit."

Pro failed to produce 3 rules in Round 2. His 1st point in Round 2 was a haiku in response to my 2nd Rule in Round 1; his 1st point was not a rule.

Since Pro failed to produce 3 rules in Round 2, he must forfeit.

I'm sorry you have to forfeit MTGandP, I was enjoying the debate. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 2
MTGandP

Pro

My first point is a rule. It dictates that hippos might eat a lot by playing Hungry Hungry Hippos. Sure, the rule is a bit unorthodox, but it is still clearly a rule.

My opponent has broken rules 2 and 3 of round 1 and rules 2 and 3 of round 2. Additionally, he broke foundation rule 6. He has therefore forfeited.

1. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must henceforth refer to Pro as "Numa Numa Superman Dance Party".

2. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos may not use more than fifty semicolons per round.

3. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos cannot use any of the following words: his, we, definitely, haiku, debate, play, vote, dance.
Xer

Con

"My first point is a rule. It dictates that hippos might eat a lot by playing Hungry Hungry Hippos. Sure, the rule is a bit unorthodox, but it is still clearly a rule."
-How does that even resemble a rule? Lol, sorry you lose.

Voters... my opponent said his rule "dictates that hippos might eat a lot by playing Hungry Hungry Hippos."
-Even if might was replaced by must, it still wouldn't be a rule. How does this statement provide any sort of rules for the debate? It doesn't. Its like saying "my dog might eat her food today." It is not a rule. You broke Foundation Rule #6. You must forfeit.

I will say it again, my opponent failed to provide a rule in his 1st point in Round 2, therefore he forfeits, according to Foundation Rule #6.
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If breaking that rule wasn't enough, Pro decided to break another rule. My opponent has also broken Foundation Rule #7: "7. Rules cannnot result in an auto-win. Breaking a rule cannot result in the victory of the rule-breaker. Each player should have an oppportunity to not break each rule."

Pro posted this rule in Round 1:
"3. Each of Con's rules must contain exactly seven words that do not start with the letter "h" and exactly five words that do start with the letter "h"."
-This means that I can only use 12 words per round.

Pro posted these 2 rules in Round 3:
"1. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must henceforth refer to Pro as "Numa Numa Superman Dance Party."
"3. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos cannot use any of the following words: his, we, definitely, haiku, debate, play, vote, dance."

Voters... how can I possibly make 3 rules with exactly 12 words that include:
1) exactly seven words that do not start with the letter "h" and exactly five words that do start with the letter "h"
2) being forced to refer to Pro as "Numa Numa Superman Dance Party"
3) and not being able to use any of the following words: his, we, definitely, haiku, debate, play, vote, dance

By doing this, Pro has created an auto-win for himself and an auto-lose for me, which breaks Foundation Rule #7.
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Pro has broken Foundation Rules #6 and #7. He is forced to forfeit because of this. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
MTGandP

Pro

Ladies and gentlemen, what is a "rule"? It was not defined in round 1. We cannot presume to know what it means; in the context of this debate, it has special meaning. I posted a rule that does not follow the expected structure of a rule (i.e. "person A has to perform action B"), but that does not mean it isn't a rule. We are so used to that form being the only kind of rule, but we need to expand our horizons. Let's be tolerant of broader definitions here!

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It is not impossible to follow rule 1, round 3. Two words can be anything, and five words can be any word that starts with "h". There are about 60,000 words in English that start with "h". That leaves myriad possibilities. Additionally, Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos need not refer to me. Sure, it will take some creativity, but it's far from impossible.

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Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos has broken so many rules by now that it's not even worth counting. Since I'm getting tired of coming up with creative and interesting rules, I am posting some easy ones.

1. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must not use more than 8000 characters per round.

2. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must not refer to Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos by the name "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".

3. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos must not forfeit any rounds.
Xer

Con

"Ladies and gentlemen, what is a "rule"? It was not defined in round 1. We cannot presume to know what it means; in the context of this debate, it has special meaning. I posted a rule that does not follow the expected structure of a rule (i.e. "person A has to perform action B"), but that does not mean it isn't a rule. We are so used to that form being the only kind of rule, but we need to expand our horizons. Let's be tolerant of broader definitions here!"
-My opponent does not know what a rule is. My 2 year old neighbor knows what a rule is.

But my opponent says, "Let's be tolerant of broader definitions here!"
1) Like what definitions? You didn't even offer any.
2) In case my opponent has not asked his mommy or daddy what a "rule" is... then here it is:
rule - a principle or regulation governing conduct, action, procedure, arrangement, etc
http://dictionary.reference.com...
3) Here are all the definitions of "rule" by Google if my opponent still does not get what "rule" means: http://www.google.com...
4) According to every definition put forth so far, a haiku would not constitute a rule. And if a haiku did constitute a rule, that means all my opponent's other rules would have to fit the same definition.

My opponent was supposed to forfeit after Round 2. Even if I did break rules after Round 2, it does not matter, since my opponent should have already forfeited. Vote Con.

Pro, just simply write "Forfeit" in Round 5 to save yourself any more embarassment.
Debate Round No. 4
MTGandP

Pro

Here is my relevant definition.

Rule: A specified statement that must follow the restrictions of previous rules.

No standard definition is effective, since these are special rules for a special debate.

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1. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos need not follow any rules imposed by Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos.

2. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos may only post if Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos is less than 20 feet tall.

3. Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos may only post videos if Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos first uses dictionary.com at least once.

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It goes without saying that Hasbro's Hungry Hungry Hippos has broken countless rules. Vote PRO!
Xer

Con

"Here is my relevant definition.

Rule: A specified statement that must follow the restrictions of previous rules.

No standard definition is effective, since these are special rules for a special debate."

-Wow. Pro made up his own definition of the word "rule" in the last round of the debate. I don't even know what to say to this. I offered countless dictionary definitions for "rule" but Pro decided his own made-up definition of "rule" is the only one that makes sense because this is a "special debate." Pro has broken countless rules throughout the debate and does not have a propper grasp of the English language. Since he does not have a propper grasp of the English language, he has made up his own language. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
Never mind what I said.
Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
I agree
Posted by Xer 7 years ago
Xer
I should've won this by a landslide...
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
I'll take on anybody who challenges me.
Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
You want to take me on in one of these rule games?
Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
"1. Rules created hold power over all rules posted later, and no later rule can contradict an earlier rule."

yeah but seeing as this is rule one that means you broke a rule and lost in the first round.....
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
I suppose so, but people do that kind of stuff all the time.
Posted by NotPurpleHaze 7 years ago
NotPurpleHaze
"4. A player may only do something besides make rules to discuss whether one has broken a rule, or whether a rule is null."

"2. Every round, Con must post a video of a non-human animal dancing in a human style of dance. Every video must be unique. Cartoon animals are allowed if and only if the cartoon animal in the video is green."

Dont these two contradict with each other?
Posted by Conor 7 years ago
Conor
excuse me: "IF any..." not "in any."
Posted by Conor 7 years ago
Conor
I respectfully decline. In no way have I personally attacked you. The most I have done is joked around a little with you, and no offense is intended. Although I must admit, I have grown to become a little frustrated with your unconditional rudeness towards me. When I say "Nags got slaughtered," it's supposed to just represent that I agree with your opponent, and, in any, was supposed to trigger a joking or cheerful response.
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