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untitled_entity
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Teucer32
Con (against)
Losing
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I will not contradict myself.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/28/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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untitled_entity

Pro

Contradiction: http://en.wikipedia.org......

Rules:
1. In Rounds 1-3, CON will ask PRO ten Yes/No questions.
2. In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions.
3. In Rounds 2-4, CON can point out any contradictions that he or she believes to be present in PRO's answers.
4. When CON points out a contradiction, PRO may use all of the following rounds to defend the accused contradiction until either CON drops the accusation or PRO admits defeat, or when the debate is over.
5. If CON ever fails to ask PRO exactly ten Yes/No questions when necessary, CON automatically loses.
6. If PRO ever fails to answer every question asked in the previous round by the rules, PRO automatically loses.
7. If PRO is never found to have contradicted herself, PRO wins.
8. If PRO is ever found to have contradicted hierself, PRO loses.
9. Because sources are irrelevant, the two points associated with sources will be given to the victor of the debate.

Good luck.
Teucer32

Con

Untitled_entity,

This seems like a really neat concept. I'll give it my best shot.

QUESTIONS:

1. Do you like to eat apples?

2. Do you find Elvis Presley attractive?

3. Are you a neoconservative?

4. Do you enjoy long walks on the beach?

5. Have you read Karl Marx?

6. Do you agree with Karl Marx?

7. Do you like Barack Obama?

8. Do you believe in God?

9. Do you think that War in Iraq was justified?

10. Are you in favor of invading Pakistan?

There you go!
Debate Round No. 1
untitled_entity

Pro

Thank you Teucer, for accepting.

I am not the creator of this concept, WJMelements is. However, I too find these debates quite interesting.

1. Actually, yes.

2. I do not.

3. No, not really.

4. Yes, I do. At sunset especially.

5. Some of what Karl Marx has written, yes.

6. I agree with him on certain topics.

7. To an extent, yes.

8. Yes.

9. No.

10. No.
Teucer32

Con

I'll wait to point out any contradictions.

11. Do you think debates should be fair?

12. Do you think certain arguments in debates can be abusive to another debater?

13. Do you think some arguments should not be allowed in debates?

14. Do you think arguments should be backed with evidence?

15. Do you think arguments should be backed with reasons?

16. Are you definitely giving your opinions on these answers??

17. Do you think debaters should be able to change their arguments within a debate?

18. Do you agree with anything Kim Jung Il likes?

19. Do you think debates should have definitive rules?

20. Should debates with definitive rules require definitive answers?

I look forward to your answers!
Debate Round No. 2
untitled_entity

Pro

11. I don't quite understand what your asking. I don't know if you mean in regard to the parameters of the debate, or the matching of skill level etc. I will answer it to the best of my ability, though.

In regard to parameters : yes
In regard to skill set: Sometimes it cannot be helped if one debater is better than the other

12. I feel as though sometimes, during a debate, one person takes something the other one said personally, when sometimes, the debater did not intend it in a personal manner.

13. Again I feel as if this is rather vague. You can argue your position from any point you want to argue it as long as it is relevant to the rules, and the topic.

14. Yes.

15. Yes.

16. Yes.

17. I mean, people do it, if someone suddenly starts agreeing with their opponent in the middle of a debate, that's their stupidity.

18. I don't know much about the likes and and dislikes of Kim Jung Il though, I have heard that he enjoys golf, I enjoy golf as well. So I guess I agree with something Kim Jung Il likes.

19. Depends on the type of debate. Formal debate, like LD, PF, etc., yes.

20. Definitive answers to what?
Teucer32

Con

First, let's get the final set of questions out of the way.

21. Are you a lesbian?

22. Do yes/no questions require yes/no answers?

23. Do you not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not like to eat apples?

24. Is it stupid to agree with people that you think differently from you?

25. Can vague questions be good questions?

26. Are vague questions against the rules of this debate?

27. Do you think the Socratic method is valid?

28. Is your username Untitled_entity?

29. Do you like fishsticks?

30. Are your answers to these questions arguments?

Alright. I'll go ahead and begin my analysis of your answers to the questions thus far.

CONTRADICTION ONE:

I think this one is all I should need.

Question 14 was "Do you think arguments should be backed with evidence?"

You answered, "Yes."

Unfortunately, this contradicts the very rules of this debate. Rule #9 states that "sources are irrelevant."

You have contradicted yourself by stating that sources should be backed with evidence while at the same time saying they are irrelevant.

Furthermore, you have made some arguments as you have answered these questions. For example, by answering question #11, you argued that "Sometimes it cannot be helped if one debater is better than the other." This argument, however, is not backed by evidence. Therefore, I see a contradiction with this answer as well as your answer to question #14. The exact same thing can be said for your answers to #14 and #12 when you said:

"One person takes something the other one said personally, when sometimes, the debater did not intend it in a personal manner."

There is, however, no evidence provided for this statement either. Therefore, you are contradicting yourself.

I'll stop for now as I feel this contradiction is a pretty big one.
Debate Round No. 3
untitled_entity

Pro

21. I am indeed.

22. Yes and no.

23. What a grasp at straws.... Yes.

24. I believe its called agreeing to disagree.

25. Yep.

26. Nope. I was just noting that they were vague.

27. Sure.

28. nope. my username is untitled_entity... nice try though.

29. I like my fish whole.

30. They're opinions, which I guess could be viewed as arguments.

Factual experience can count as evidence. In the course of my debating experience, there have been times when an opponent has taken something to heart that wasn't intended to be interpreted as such....Therefore my experience counts as evidence. Sources are irrelevant for this debate, as we are debating an actual issue, and I don't really have anything to prove to you.....

Thanks to my opponent for this debate.
Teucer32

Con

Alright. I'll begin by noting that the first contradiction was not adequately answered. Although my opponent suggested that experiences count as evidence, she did not address the fact that the rules say that evidence is irrelevant. I should win for this reason alone.

For fun,

CONTRADICTION #2:

The answer to question number 22 is a contradiction in itself. Answering a yes/no question with "Yes and no" is essentially a contradiction because it has two competing answers.

CONTRADICTION #3:

Question #24: "Is it stupid to agree with people that you think differently from you?"

Answer to #24: "I believe its called agreeing to disagree."

Her answer to #17 presents a contradiction: "if someone...starts agreeing with their opponent...that's...stupidity"

First it's stupidity and then it's agreeing to disagree.

CONCLUSION:

I should win for the first contradiction alone. If you don't like that one, take a look at the last two. They are pretty solid as well.

Fun debate, untitled_entity!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
I'm going Pro here. Contradiction One falls apart because should=/=must. Just because something should happen doesn't mean it must happen. Contradiction Two isn't really a contradiction. Something can have multiple qualities at once.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
uh huh.
Posted by rougeagent21 7 years ago
rougeagent21
Whoops! For some unknown reason, I totally overlooked when you posted that contradiction. I only saw the ones in the last round. My bad...
Posted by Teucer32 7 years ago
Teucer32
yeah...i mean...i pointed out those ones just for fun. I still believe the first one should be enough to vote for me.
Posted by rougeagent21 7 years ago
rougeagent21
It was rather unfair to point out the contradictions in the last round when PRO had no time to respond. There was no rule against it, but it was foul play.
Posted by Teucer32 7 years ago
Teucer32
lol. I had a question in mind that might have triggered a contradiction.

no offense, though.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
BTW

what was with the "are you a lesbian?" question
Posted by Teucer32 7 years ago
Teucer32
lol. its cool.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
I mean, I didn't have a problem with it....
Posted by Teucer32 7 years ago
Teucer32
sorry dude. just trying to be nice.
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